Why do you hate Kobe Bryant?

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6 wins and 10 losses in the finals are the results you want? How effective is that versatility if it doesn't translate to more wins than losses?

Kobe is amazing as a 2nd option to Shaq, I agree. But put Lebron with a Prime Shaq and do you honestly think he doesn't win 3 rings? Shaq required double and triple teams to stop so Kobe was allowed to destroy on the perimeter. A older, less capable Shaq helped bring a championship to Wade because Shaq required a double and was still pulling down 10 rebounds a game.

Gasol is a legit 7 footer who was grabbing down rebounds and the key to Kobe's success too.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Kobe has explosive scoring games but people forget Lebron is actually more consistent scorer than Kobe is. People really think Lebron in 2009 couldn't easily replicate Kobe's numbers on that Lakers ESPECIALLY if he wasn't the primary focus of the defense because Shaq is roaming the paint?

Kobe had the benefit of having a top 5 player in NBA history at the peak of his ability. Lebron dragged an injured Wade and Bosh to a championship. Wade was getting his knee drained after games and both him and Boah were so injured that they said screw the Olympics and had to get surgery and heal up.

Rings need ****ing context. Pippen has more rings than Kobe but you're high if you think he's a better player because all his rings came as a 2nd option whereas only 3 of Kobe's rings did. Kobe's two rings as a first option matter more than ALL of Pippen's rings combined.

If the Heat beat the Mavericks but Lebron played like crap and Wade got the FMVPS, would that REALLY AFFECT Lebron's legacy. No, he still played like crap but his team saved him.

All Kobe's championships mean is that Kobe has is that he had more talent at round him than Lebron did for half of his rings. It doesn't make him a better player for the same reason Bill Russel isn't a better player than MJ or Kareem despite having more rings than them.

Lebron is more efficient, a comparable scorer, a better passer, a better rebounder, playmaker, perrenial DPOTY candidate, and a more consistent player.

Kobe is a better shooter, more versatile and refined scorer, and has the most insane godmode of any player not named MJ.

Lebron is easier to build around, a more talented player, and has more impact on both sides of the floor due to his ability to morph his play style in myriad of ways.

Kobe is more polished, has unshakeable confidence his ability to make shots, and has a more explosive scoring potential.

I understand exactly how good Kobe is and I'm not biased against him but I'm also able to apply critical thinking to his skills. Kobe is a top ten player, the 2nd best SG of all time, the most skilled scorer of all time (In skills, not effectiveness), and all he really needs to be successful is a great big man, a couple of decent and somewhat consistent shooters to be ring eligible which is absurd.

Lebron isn't as skilled a scorer as Kobe but he's a more compete offensive player due to his insane court vision, great passing abilities, and the fact that he's still an elite scorer plus he's a much smarter at his shot selection. He's not as good at hitting contested shots nor is he as confident on every spot of the court as Kobe but he's such a good slasher that he doesn't need to be as good. He knows his spots and he can almost always get there. He can knock down the jumpers teams are forced to give him with ease.

His post game isn't as versatile as Kobe but he can still back down 90% of the players that guard him and he's dominant enough that he almost always requires a double because he gets into position. Lebron made one of the best perimeter defenders in the league in PG, look like a child when he took him to the post.

And so forth. Lebron is a player who can affect the game in a major way without scoring a single point. If he shoots bad, he's such a good passer and smart player that he can still positively effect the game plus he's still among the most constantly dominant player around.

I'm digressing, I know how good Kobe is. I completely believe that he is a top ten player. I absolutely feel he has a better legacy than Bron right now. I don't feel he's a better player than Bron in the sane way Russel isn't a better player than Jordan despite the hardware.

I'll take all around dominance, versatility, and overall impact over volume scoring. It's the same reason I'd take Wall over Kyrie, Magic and Bird over Kobe, Marc Gasol over Bynum, etc.

Unless you're a transcendent offensive talent (Shaq and MJ), I'm going all around especially when Lebron averages as many points on less attempts despite being a less versatile and polished scorer when he's undeniably better in most other categories.
 

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He didn't rape her

Y'all don't understand the history of white women falsely crying out rape against brothers

You know how many blacks have been hung or castrated behind a white woman's lies?

Preach my homie and educate these cacs about these devil cave bytches..they tryna bring a strong brother like Kobe down just for money..so demonic
 

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You know, it looks like there's a lot of misinformation in regards to the real opinions of Kobe stans. Moreover, your taking certain things that are suppose to be jokes and consider them literal sentiments.

I'm compelled to bring peace between the haters and stans before Kobe retires, it'd be a shame if we were still arguing years after like Pac/Big stans or camel/gnauze stans.
 

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He didn't rape her

Y'all don't understand the history of white women falsely crying out rape against brothers

You know how many blacks have been hung or castrated behind a white woman's lies?

:stopitslime: Most rapes are never reported no matter what race they are.

I wasn't there so I have no clue if he raped her or not but race really has nothing at all to do with it. If she was lying, it had more to do with his wealth than his race. She would have nothing to gain otherwise.
 

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:stopitslime: Most rapes are never reported no matter what race they are.

I wasn't there so I have no clue if he raped her or not but race really has nothing at all to do with it. If she was lying, it had more to do with his wealth than his race. She would have nothing to gain otherwise.

Stop it. :beli:
 

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I can't wait till this n1gga retires and takes his casual fanbase with him...

Same thing happened after Jordan bounced.. It's like an ethnic cleansing of sorts of legit basketball discussion...
 

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I can't wait till this n1gga retires and takes his casual fanbase with him...

Same thing happened after Jordan bounced.. It's like an ethnic cleansing of sorts of legit basketball discussion...

But you can't be a hardcore basketball fan and want to see a great like Kobe stop playing :lupe:
 

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^^^ I've been unable to respect him as a man ever since this emasculating shyt.
 

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Bump, can we be real for a moment brehs? Read if you'd like or you could just talk about how you ain't readin all that shyt.

First impressions are everything, and to me I think that's what ended up fukkin Kobe over in terms of developing a polarizing public persona. Truth is, for some people his personal life, character, or anything of the sort had little to know bearing on what they saw on the court whereas other people like to identify with those star athletes they root for so as to feel a sense of commonality and real comraderie from the viewpoints of culture, lifestyle or desired lifestyle, and the overall more favorable image that endears all to them.

Kobe was traded from the Hornets to the Lakers. Perhaps after Kobe's workout with the team he was determined to join the squad by any means. Ultimately he becomes a Laker before the signing of Shaq. He ends up on one of the most recognizable and storied teams in all sports. Has the media swooning over him as some clean cut, safe, friendly, and in their minds viable option to become the next iconic player after Jordan. In all this, there's no sense of struggle in Kobe's situation for the first several years of his career until Shaq leaves and the team falls apart without him. For many people, it's a turnoff to see someone have all the avenues already taken care of for them to flourish. Kinda like Drake, it couldn't of been difficult at all for him to get in the music business given he was already on a popular tv show, but is that to say he didn't work hard on his craft to legitimize his position in his field of choice? (:scusthov:@me having to give drake credit for the sake of argument)

If I can add to that theme. Kobe grew up well off, father played in the NBA so he got to meet many legends, lived in another country, and overall hadn't really grown up around nikkaz to have that type of style about him which imo would most certainly endear him to many more people. He's not a product of the struggle in both a societal and (up until 2005) in a basketball sense. Indeed, his lack of street smarts and overall square nature surely played a role in him confessing Shaq's indiscretions while the Eagle, CO police were interrogating him. Not a good look, even the most ardent Kobe stan wouldn't disagree.

But even more problematic than his sheltered privileged life was his mistake at only 18 to speak of his kingly aspirations before having proven to be worthy of those kinda goals. By him making a mission of becoming greater than Jordan, so began the hype machine within sports media that would later latch on to LeBron James as its next Jordan. So now you got this square nikka from Italy sayin he's tryna be better than Jordan when he's finished and the media hype machine eating it up and spittin it out for us to make discourse of it so you get the beginnings of what has now become well over a decade of nikkaz hatin for the worst reasons and stans overcompensating for Kobe because one too many disappointments (some by him and others out of his control) made him fall short of what his goal was in terms of his career resume.

Now, stan/hater shyt aside I'd honestly like to discuss this phenomenon. I know people like to simplify it to hating cuz of stans etc but I think there can really be a robust discussion on this subject so long as everyone is 100% honest on both sides of the issue.

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