Why does this site pretend like Millennials didn’t kill R&B(Male Specifically)

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dora_da_destroyer said:
i think about this all the time. as someone with gen x older sibs, i give that generation their props. they made amazing music in several genres...early millennials were all over the place and by the time you get to 88/89+ singers, it's :no:
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It’s crazy because i look back at 2000s R&B especially early 2000s as a great time in R&B but anyone older will tell that early 00s is when the decline started

It parallels perfectly with millennials hitting the age where they can pick what they listen to and when you add the music was free and rappers were dropping mixtapes everyday no other genre could compete
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This is true to a degree. I remember folks mentioning in another thread that before the Hip Hop sales explosion of the early 00s, ppl weren’t listening to rap 24/7 like that in the 80s and 90s. Back in the 90s Youth Urban radio, had a good mix of RnB(real sangers!!) and hip hop. A mature voice like Johnny Gill could sell records to young ppl in the 90s. Teenage girls loved mature voices like a Johnny Gill, Boyz 2 Men, etc. I couldn’t imagine a Johnny Gill type voice selling music to teenage consumers now. And I think that all did start with our(millenial) generation just being overly exclusively hip hop obsessed from the mid 00s and beyond. Which is a damn shame, because as a millennial(89) all I listen to nowadays is RnB from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 00s. But ironically, the young version of me back in 2003 only wanted to listen to GUnit 24/7. :snoop:

I don’t even really listen to a lot of rap anymore. It’s nothing but RnB and some rock here and there nowadays. So, yep, I think it is our fault. We millennials fukked up. :snoop:
 
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dora_da_destroyer said:
this a shaky ass list..bolded are proof of millennials fukking up r&b IMO, from lack of vocals to subject matter, to song composition, to leaning way too heavily on production...nah. doesn't mean i havent enjoyed songs from them, but this is weak. are you really enjoying dudes like drake and tory lanez as r&b? i think acts like that being welcome in r&b helped kill it
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That’s precisely what killed RnB. Their subject matter would’ve been grouped with rap and nothing but rap if the Tory Lanez and Drakes came out in the 90s. But now, they’re considered standard RnB.
 
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bourgeoisie tall freak said:
all of them are good to me since we cherry picking talent and quality :yeshrug: but that's just me subjectively.... i tend to lean more creativity, alt types than just "sangin" ballads
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At least you admit that. The problem lies, when folks act like a majority off what’s being pushed today isn’t basically artist trying to emulate that “alt type” RnB and doing away with sangers and ballads. There’s an over saturation of whispery singers-rappers today, and most of it just sounds like emulation. Some of it is creative, but most of it is formulaic in the same way ballads were. Only difference was, at least with the relative ballads and singers of the 90s and further back, the raw talent was there. But at least you admit that’s what you prefer. Compared to ppl in here posting a million videos of the same dark toned “alt” singers over and over and being like “See!! RnB ain’t dead!!”. :dead:

I mean, the rappers basically emulate these songstresses to, so there really isn’t anything that breaks always from the formula, because rap and RnB Nowdays become one in the same.
 
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Biscayne said:
At least you admit that. The problem lies, when folks act like a majority off what’s being pushed today isn’t basically artist trying to emulate that “alt type” RnB and doing away with sangers and ballads. There’s an over saturation of whispery singers-rappers today, and most of it just sounds like emulation. Some of it is creative, but most of it is formulaic in the same way ballads were. Only difference was, at least with the relative ballads and singers of the 90s and further back, the raw talent was there. But at least you admit that’s what you prefer. Compared to ppl in here posting a million videos of the same dark toned “alt” singers over and over and being like “See!! RnB ain’t dead!!”. :dead:

I mean, the rappers basically emulate these songstresses to, so there really isn’t anything that breaks always from the formula, because rap and RnB Nowdays become one in the same.
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i mean i grew up on the type.... like kelis, erykah badu, aaliyah, tlc, en vogue, even janet, prince, etc .... they're rnb but they can give different vibes too, different sounds, different kinds of vocals

when will folks every understand.... NO IDEA IS ORIGINAL. things you've heard today, you've heard yesterday.... or at least some of us have the musical sophistication to notice the parallels :manny:. but i don't think most of the guys i listed fall into the characterization you gave of whispery singer rapper lol. they are strong singers! but sometimes it's not all about having these beautiful perfect vocals.... james brown wouldn't be a legend if that's what "talent" was
 
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This isn't "rap" or rap fans fault.

The fault goes to all of those acts in the 90's that chose to dikk ride rap too heavily and the people who bought into that bullshyt. Once guys like Timbaland and The Neptunes became the face of RnB and rap production and pure RnB artist like Babyface switched to that sound it was a wrap...

Also too many classically trained vocalist and not enough contemporary improvisational musicians.
 
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and then a lot of people just don't put their money where their mouth is when it comes to complaining about music. i recommend getting sirius xm and tune in to the "heart and soul" channel if you want to hear a variety a prototype rnb music. any type of music you want is still happening lol. but the asking people to like it just as much as you do to prove a point is weird but ok
 
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bourgeoisie tall freak said:
i mean i grew up on the type.... like kelis, erykah badu, aaliyah, tlc, en vogue, even janet, prince, etc .... they're rnb but they can give different vibes too, different sounds, different kinds of vocals

when will folks every understand.... NO IDEA IS ORIGINAL. things you've heard today, you've heard yesterday.... or at least some of us have the musical sophistication to notice the parallels :manny:. but i don't think most of the guys i listed fall into the characterization you gave of whispery singer rapper lol. they are strong singers! but sometimes it's not all about having these beautiful perfect vocals.... james brown wouldn't be a legend if that's what "talent" was
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bourgeoisie tall freak said:
this seems just like a random meme at this point (right down to the catchphrase "self-deprecating" lol). i pointed out when someone recently compared sza to mary j blige.... mjb was damn near suicidal on tracks. motown was peak crying and begging, etc.... the genre is literally called rhythm AND BLUES for a reason and it's not a recent phenomena lol

we been living rough :yeshrug:
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All those artist you named in the first post had a combo of rhythm AND blues in their repertoire or shared their prime years with lighter artist who had went the more contemporary route. The thing is, there was plenty of room for a diverse array of RnB talent back in the days. You could be non-pop(Neo Soul) you could be unconventional(Prynce) you could lean towards hip hop(New Jack Swing), you could be more conventional and straight edged(Boyz 2 Men) you could more raw(R.Kelly), you could have some edge-Hip-Hop-begging struggle love mix(MJB), all these types coexisted at the sametime. Now? It seems everyone in the mainstream is going one route. Sangin and ballads aren’t cool anymore. A Fire And Desire type track couldn’t come out today.
 
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Bruce LeRoy said:
This isn't "rap" or rap fans fault.

The fault goes to all of those acts in the 90's that chose to dikk ride rap too heavily and the people who bought into that bullshyt. Once guys like Timbaland and The Neptunes became the face of RnB and rap production and pure RnB artist like Babyface switched to that sound it was a wrap...

Also too many classically trained vocalist and not enough contemporary improvisational musicians.
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This makes no sense. They’re in in the music business. They have to supply the market
bourgeoisie tall freak said:
and then a lot of people just don't put their money where their mouth is when it comes to complaining about music. i recommend getting sirius xm and tune in to the "heart and soul" channel if you want to hear a variety a prototype rnb music. any type of music you want is still happening lol. but the asking people to like it just as much as you do to prove a point is weird but ok
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It’s like comfort food on this site to complain about R&B. It’s plenty of good R&B right now, it’s just not mainstream
 
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