Why doesn't Giannis get blame for the Bucks postseason failures since the 2021 NBA Finals?

How much blame should go to Giannis?


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Straw Hat Luffy

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If I’m a bucks fan I’m not caring for the coli takes

If I were them you would want me to put all the blame on Giannis?

What if he left?? Imagine relying on Kuzma and Garry Trent jr
 

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The only one I give Giannis a LITTLE shyt for is the 2023 Miami series but he also only really played games four and five.

He was injured and missed last year's playoffs.

This year, he averaged 33/15.4/6.6 on 61% shooting. Who's blaming him for Gary Trent Jr. being Milwaukee's second leading scorer against Indy?

In 2022, Middleton was out, Jrue was AWFUL and Pat Connaughton was their third leading scorer against Boston. Giannis averaged 33.9/14.7/7.1 and it took an all-time performance by Tatum in game six to save that series (Giannis had 44/20/6 in that game).

It is madness if anyone is truly blaming Giannis for Milwaukee's shortcomings when they've had horrendous injury luck and his team has gotten progressively worse around him the past four years. I believe they would have repeated in 2022 if Middleton was healthy.

Only post this bozo has gotten right.
 

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I think the real solution is to allow teams to pay the supermax but it only counts against the cap as the max value. That would still allow the players with accolades to get paid while also not completely hamstringing teams and would also prevent teams from trading players out of fear of having to pay them the supermax.
Why should players with accolades get so much more though. The top 15 players probably get endorsements. The top 15 players are truly franchise players. Honestly, there might be 7 “true” franchise players.

Players 8-25 are cool but they are second fiddles. The ADs, KATs, Mitchells and Browns of the world shouldn’t get 60Ms a year. Super Max should be 25% and max at 20%. What will the superstars do? Play in LeBrons Saudi’s league instead?

Should play 8-12 see more than 12Ms? Maybe. The league is deeper than ever right now. I’d rather see players 4-7 get good money than player 1-3 get 50Ms plus.
 

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Yes you are being totally objective by strictly focusing on Giannis' role in the loss while completely ignoring Gary Trent's two boneheaded turnovers that are the real reason it was even possible for Indy to be driving for a game winning layup.
The same Trent that had 12 of their 15 pts in OT? He was the reason they had the lead to choke away. Its not asking too much of a superstar in his prime to finish that job. These two are not in remotely close to the same galaxy in terms of responsibility.
 
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show me a time in recent nba history where a championship winning team has had this much terrible luck in terms of injuries after they won the title:jbhmm:
You know, I was going to go a different direction with this post but addressing the fact that it's just another excuse wouldn't suffice.

The Warriors not only had worse luck with injuries in their quest to three-peat in 2019, but I can vividly remember the criticism that Steph got in wake of that. I can remember when he got injured with a broken hand in 2020 and GS opted to keep him out for most of the year and posters on this board were shytting on him as if they thought he was hiding from how the league was running a train on the GS that season.

I remember how posters were saying he wasn't shyt that KD wasn't around to rescue him anymore and how he'd never win another title again without being carried.

Then he was ridiculed even more the following season when he lost in the play-in tournament.

I can remember all the wild shyt said about him around that time.

Ain't nobody was talking about him being the best player in the league like folks do with Giannis now, that's for damn sure.

This is why this discourse around Giannis is bizarre to me.

All these excuses for someone who's only won one title, and all his shortcomings have been glossed over ever since. Steph wins three titles, changes the landscape of the league, solidifies himself as one of the best guards to ever do it, but his ass got dragged from 2019-2022.
 

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The same Trent that had 12 of their 15 pts in OT? He was the reason they had the lead to choke away. Its not asking too much of a superstar in his prime to finish that job. These two are not in remotely close to the same galaxy in terms of responsibility.
I'm not blaming Trent for losing either. shyt happens. Like I said earlier I hate the blame game. I'm just pointing out how disingenuous he was being by ignoring Trent's role in the comeback and just focusing in on Giannis getting beat on D. In any game someone has to lose and it's corny to immediately go to the blame game. Trent had a great game. Giannis had a great game. The team happened to lose. No need to run out on "see guys Giannis sucks cause they lost". Just enjoy the game and move on.
 

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Why should players with accolades get so much more though. The top 15 players probably get endorsements. The top 15 players are truly franchise players. Honestly, there might be 7 “true” franchise players.

Players 8-25 are cool but they are second fiddles. The ADs, KATs, Mitchells and Browns of the world shouldn’t get 60Ms a year. Super Max should be 25% and max at 20%. What will the superstars do? Play in LeBrons Saudi’s league instead?

Should play 8-12 see more than 12Ms? Maybe. The league is deeper than ever right now. I’d rather see players 4-7 get good money than player 1-3 get 50Ms plus.
Because those same players (more than any other sport) are the ones drawing fans to games. The NBA is a superstar driven sport so they deserve more money than the non-superstars. You could surround a Lebron or Curry with 14 random players and the buildings would still sell out.
 

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Maybe you missed the part when I said -

"Obviously, he's not entirely to blame for what happend in OT."

Furthermore, this thread isn't about Trent Jnr, so why should we be focusing on him? More importantly, he isn't held to the same standard as Giannis is. Also, if you're going to put the spotlight on him for his two turnovers, then you've got to take into account he was the Bucks' leading scorer and the main reason why they went up 7+ points with under a minute to go.

Why focus on his two turnovers when he had 12 points in OT? Are they even in that position in the first place without those 12 points from him?

Are you really out here trying to deflect blame from Giannis onto a role player (who was one of the main reasons the Bucks were even in a position to win)?

And I must stress, I'm making a point around his defense, so if he was this great defensive player like y'all claim he is, how the hell isn't he to blame for giving up that lead?

Great defensive players make sure comebacks of that nature do not happen. And if they do let it happen, then they should be held accountable. If we perceived Giannis to be an average to good defender, depending on the day, then we wouldn't need hold him accountable because we'd expect that result.
My point is that it's corny trying to immediately run to place blame on Giannis or using individual plays to shyt on Giannis' defense as a get back because you're upset that other players you're huge fans of got unjust criticism. Your answer is to do the exact same things those trolls you criticize are doing which is corny all around. All this is in response to people criticizing Jokic by saying he's bad on defense. All these stan wars are corny as hell. nikkas got to run to the blame game or up their trolling to counter the same trolling they complain about. Giannis had multiple bad defensive possessions. Doesn't mean he sucks on D all the time. Giannis played 44 minutes putting up insane stats. It's like his legs are gone. HIs bad defensive possessions doesn't mean he's bad all the time.
 
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I'm not blaming Trent for losing either. shyt happens. Like I said earlier I hate the blame game. I'm just pointing out how disingenuous he was being by ignoring Trent's role in the comeback and just focusing in on Giannis getting beat on D. In any game someone has to lose and it's corny to immediately go to the blame game. Trent had a great game. Giannis had a great game. The team happened to lose. No need to run out on "see guys Giannis sucks cause they lost". Just enjoy the game and move on.
As it's been pointed out to you, they wouldn't have been in that position in the first place without his 12 points. Why focus on his two turnovers when his 12 points more than negates that, especially given he's a role player?

As if it needs to be reiterated -

Nobody perceives Gary Trent Jr. as being a great player, but they do see Giannis as being a great defender.

That's why I'm focusing on it.

Great players = great expectations; role players = role player expectations.
My point is that it's corny trying to immediately run to place blame on Giannis or using individual plays to shyt on Giannis' defense as a get back because you're upset that other players you're huge fans of got unjust criticism. Your answer is to do the exact same things those trolls you criticize are doing which is corny all around. All this is in response to people criticizing Jokic by saying he's bad on defense. All these stan wars are corny as hell. nikkas got to run to the blame game or up their trolling to counter the same trolling they complain about. Giannis had multiple bad defensive possessions. Doesn't mean he sucks on D all the time. Giannis played 44 minutes putting up insane stats. It's like his legs are gone. HIs bad defensive possessions doesn't mean he's bad all the time.
It's not even just about Jokic, it's about how y'all pick and choose when and what to criticize players on. And y'all only speak up against it when it comes to a player that you like or that you've weaponized in the past to attack another player.

If you believe this shyt is corny, why do you engage in threads and make posts about how bad Jokic's defense is? Why are you so quick to blame him whenever he's lost in the past, or when he's played badly?

Answer me this -

If Jokic was down 1-3 in the 1st round, and then gave up that same lead in OT of Game 5 where he got scored on for the game-winner, and someone made a thread about it, and you had posters from everywhere going in there to shyt on him, would you be making these same posts defending him like you're doing now with Giannis?
 

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The "Player A doesn't get the same amount of irrational criticism as Player B does" argument is autistic, and that's me being kind

Maybe we should be more considerate of players in general and not rush to stupid conclusions?
It's not autistic when Player B consistently gets that type of criticism.
 

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I'm not blaming Trent for losing either. shyt happens. Like I said earlier I hate the blame game. I'm just pointing out how disingenuous he was being by ignoring Trent's role in the comeback and just focusing in on Giannis getting beat on D. In any game someone has to lose and it's corny to immediately go to the blame game. Trent had a great game. Giannis had a great game. The team happened to lose. No need to run out on "see guys Giannis sucks cause they lost". Just enjoy the game and move on.
I agree in principle. However, when you go from up 7 pts to losing (and going home) in less than a minute somebody fukked up :pachaha:. Late in a close gsme, especially a win or go home game, is when superstars are needed most. Giannis aint live up to that. Now does he suck and should he never be able to show his face again and have his legacy dissected for the next week straight? No. But its not unfair to expect more out of him in that moment. Trent on the other hand went way above and beyond any remotely realistic expectations even with the fukk ups.
 
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