Why Doesnt Jack Johnson Get The Props That Muhammad Ali Gets?

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[Carolina Slim]

It's his reasons you gave for him making those decisions that formed my opinion. That's why he's a c00n. As I would call any black man or black woman that said the same thing especially if it was during that time period.

I don't consider Frederick Douglas one and his second wife was white or close enough to it.

Maybe this will shed some light on it:

There have been countless women in my life. They have participated in my triumphs and suffered with me in my moments of dissapointment. They have inspired me to attainment and they have balked me; they have caused me joy and they have heaped misery upon me; they have been faithful to the utmost and they have been faithless; they have praised and loved me and they have hated and denounced me. Always, a woman has swayed me — sometimes many have demanded my attention at the same moment.
— Jack Johnson
Mary Austin
According to Johnson's 1927 autobiography, he married Marry Austin, a black girl from Galveston, Texas, in 1898. No record exists of this marriage, and the 1900 census shows him still living at home with his parents and siblings. Although they were probably never legally married, Johnson introduced Austin as his wife wherever he went. She was the first "Mrs. Jack Johnson," but far from the last. Austin came with Johnson when he moved to California in 1901, but stayed behind after he returned from a training visit to Colorado in 1902.

Clara Kerr

While living in Philadelphia during the summer of 1903, Johnson met a black prostitute named Clara Kerr at a North Philadelphia whorehouse. In September of that year, she traveled with him to Bakersfield, California, and was his companion for much of the next three years. In October of 1906, she ran off with an old friend of Johnson's, a racehorse trainer named William Bryant. She took most of Johnson's jewelry and clothing as well. Johnson tracked the couple down to Tucson and had Kerr arrested on burglary charges, but Johnson and Kerr reconciled for a time. They moved to California, but Johnson was having trouble finding moneymaking fights, and when the money ran out Kerr left him again — this time for good.

During a three-month tour of Australia in early 1907, Johnson had a brief romance with Alma "Lola" Toy, a 20-year-old white woman from Sydney. The Sydney sporting world was scandalized, and Toy later won a 500 pound libel judgment from The Sunday Times Newspaper Company for an article published in its sporting paper, The Referee.

After returning from Australia, Johnson began traveling with white women exclusively, writing in his 1927 autobiography that "the heartaches which Mary Austin and Clara Kerr caused me led me to forswear colored women and to determine that my lot henceforth would be cast only with white women." In actuality he forswore no one — he continued to pursue both black and white women for the rest of his life. But from that point on only white women would be "Mrs. Jack Johnson."

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

Maybe this will shed some light on it:

There have been countless women in my life. They have participated in my triumphs and suffered with me in my moments of dissapointment. They have inspired me to attainment and they have balked me; they have caused me joy and they have heaped misery upon me; they have been faithful to the utmost and they have been faithless; they have praised and loved me and they have hated and denounced me. Always, a woman has swayed me — sometimes many have demanded my attention at the same moment.
— Jack Johnson
Mary Austin
According to Johnson's 1927 autobiography, he married Marry Austin, a black girl from Galveston, Texas, in 1898. No record exists of this marriage, and the 1900 census shows him still living at home with his parents and siblings. Although they were probably never legally married, Johnson introduced Austin as his wife wherever he went. She was the first "Mrs. Jack Johnson," but far from the last. Austin came with Johnson when he moved to California in 1901, but stayed behind after he returned from a training visit to Colorado in 1902.

Clara Kerr

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While living in Philadelphia during the summer of 1903, Johnson met a black prostitute named Clara Kerr at a North Philadelphia whorehouse. In September of that year, she traveled with him to Bakersfield, California, and was his companion for much of the next three years. In October of 1906, she ran off with an old friend of Johnson's, a racehorse trainer named William Bryant. She took most of Johnson's jewelry and clothing as well. Johnson tracked the couple down to Tucson and had Kerr arrested on burglary charges, but Johnson and Kerr reconciled for a time. They moved to California, but Johnson was having trouble finding moneymaking fights, and when the money ran out Kerr left him again — this time for good.

During a three-month tour of Australia in early 1907, Johnson had a brief romance with Alma "Lola" Toy, a 20-year-old white woman from Sydney. The Sydney sporting world was scandalized, and Toy later won a 500 pound libel judgment from The Sunday Times Newspaper Company for an article published in its sporting paper, The Referee.

After returning from Australia, Johnson began traveling with white women exclusively, writing in his 1927 autobiography that "the heartaches which Mary Austin and Clara Kerr caused me led me to forswear colored women and to determine that my lot henceforth would be cast only with white women." In actuality he forswore no one — he continued to pursue both black and white women for the rest of his life. But from that point on only white women would be "Mrs. Jack Johnson."

He used a prostitute to form his opinion of black women. That's some ignorant shyt right there.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

He used a prostitute to form his opinion of black women. That's some ignorant shyt right there.

i think all his white women were prostitutes as well.

 

[Carolina Slim]

i think all his white women were prostitutes as well.

I think all of them except the last one, the one he was married to when he died.

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

This is a really weird thread. Being Black is more than fukking pawgs and making whites mad. Ya nikkas are lost. Lol

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Man it does not EVER get old reading about this guy. Damn shame there wasn't enough modern era sports coverage to give this guy the credit he deserves as a character and more importantly as an athlete. Reading about him reminds me a little of too. That story about him getting a $50 speeding ticket and since he doesn't have a $50 he just gives the cop $100 and says he's coming back the other way just as fast

 

[Rev]

Man it does not EVER. Get old reading about this guy. Damn shame there wasn't enough modern era sports coverage to give this guy the credit he deserves as a character and more importantly as an athlete. Reading about him reminds me a little of too. That story about him getting a $50 speeding ticket and since he doesn't have a $50 he just gives the cop $100 and says he's coming back the other way just as fast

i loved that ken burns documentary, "unforgivable blackness" is one i want to watch again...so good. he's actually supposedly creating a mini-series on jack johnson next.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

i loved that ken burns documentary, "unforgivable blackness" is one i want to watch again...so good. he's actually supposedly creating a mini-series on jack johnson next.

That's what we watched in my sports history class on him this semester. Fascinating. Is it me or do all old boxing heads like the ones in that film always seem to wear a hat or smoke a cigar?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Jack Johnson is Black America's Founding Father of

 

[Carolina Slim]

i loved that ken burns documentary, "unforgivable blackness" is one i want to watch again...so good. he's actually supposedly creating a mini-series on jack johnson next.

 

[Carolina Slim]

i loved that ken burns documentary, "unforgivable blackness" is one i want to watch again...so good. he's actually supposedly creating a mini-series on jack johnson next.

When they had that old black and white footage of him fighting those white dudes and he's laughing and talking with the people at ringside, laughing at the dude he was fighting....

When he knocked out that great white hope and all the white people at ringside were but that one brotha in the middle who was like....

 

[Rev]

When they had that old black and white footage of him fighting those white dudes and he's laughing and talking with the people at ringside, laughing at the dude he was fighting....

When he knocked out that great white hope and all the white people at ringside were but that one brotha in the middle who was like....

forreal. but it's crazy how beating that white hope was kinda the beginning of the demise. can't win.

 

[Pdiddy]

The media hypes up some modern athletes....Jack Johnson was the real deal, based on commentary from people of that era

 

[superunknown23]

Following Johnson’s victory over Jeffries, Blacks around the U.S. took to the streets to celebrate Johnson’s glorious victory. In some cities, the police allowed the revelers to celebrate unmolested. In other cities, police and angry White people tried to quash the celebrations in a desperate attempt to preserve the White people’s place at the top of the U.S.’s racial hierarchy. In all, riots occurred in more than 25 states. About 23 Blacks and 2 Whites were killed and hundreds more were injured.

The consequences of Johnson’s victory were far reaching. In an effort to eradicate evidence of Johnson’s achievement, Congress passed legislation banning the distribution of fight films across state lines.

On July 5th, 1910, the day after Johnson’s victory, the following editorial appeared in the Los Angeles Times:

A word to the black man:

Do not point your nose too high
Do not swell your chest too much
Do not boast too loudly
Do not be puffed up
Let not your ambition be inordinate
Or take a wrong direction
Remember you have done nothing at all
You are just the same member of society you were last week
You are on no higher plane
Deserve no new consideration
And will get none
No man will think a bit higher of you
Because your complexion is the same
Of that of the victor at Reno

–Los Angeles times July 5, 1910

Dude was trolling whites by openly dating beckys at a time when the KKK was at its peak (and blacks were getting lynched frequently)