Why is EPMDs influence on Hip Hop so slept on?
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MurderToCassette
Sa Da Tay
a lotta iconic beats they did first
that california love one tho :deadjay: this is one of the'est songs ive ever heard
Ultramagnetic did it first
Also, I approve of this thread. EPMD has 4 back to back classics and 2 very dope albums
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here's EPMD jacking Straight Outta Compton 4 years later...i think they did this on purpose due to their connection. Rappers were always flipping each others beats in the golden era.
I don't care what anybody sayz...Erick Sermon one of the GOAT producers.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
a lotta iconic beats they did first
that california love one tho :deadjay: this is one of the
what are you saying here, breh.
are you dissing the greatest first guest appearance in rap.
that created how unknown's got on?
please elaborate what you are saying.
art barr
As someone who got into rap seriously in 97/98, this is one of the first songs I remember playing the absolute shyt out of. Beat is still incredible.
and voices too. P had a good voice when he tried. Sermon is decent but that's where it ends. If it had been a Rakim-level voice rapping on those crazy beats, it would've been a different story.
This really became apparent on their features. Listen to how much better Red, Mef (especially) and Lady Luck sound on this beat than EPMD.
and voices too. P had a good voice when he tried. Sermon is decent but that's where it ends. If it had been a Rakim-level voice rapping on those crazy beats, it would've been a different story.
This really became apparent on their features. Listen to how much better Red, Mef (especially) and Lady Luck sound on this beat than EPMD.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
epmd were popular, really popular.
it is just the situation that occurred between them in business that lead to the social dysfunction and a robbery.
is what created the current disconnect for the fanbase.
as, at the end of the day.
socially and culturally we were all left to pick sides of which we picked the erick sermon redman side of the situation.
as pmd's business practices to ho out everyone in the squad.
made people gravitate towards erick.
yet, the robbery took place.
so, at the end of the day.
both left us with no wiggle room to really pick sides and i think after the luster of success for the defsquad wore off in the sale spike era.
people just were never given good reason or any wiggle room to big up the legacy of epmd.
as no one knew which direction to go in to do it.
plus, by the time both reunited.
it was after both suffered to adjust to the change in sonic landscape in the jiggy to post sales spike era.
that they both got lost in any adulation for the group as a whole and their contribution.
real talk,..if not for knick knack patty wack alone....
rap would not be what it is today, period.
as there would have been no outlet or litmus test to say what a newcomer was required to be solo wise.
plus, what a collective was that was dope top to bottom member to member as well.
tupac would have never had a career at all.
as tupac was directly out the play of knick knack patty wack and what k solo did, period.
so some goof tard in this thread dissin knick knack patty wack, really had no idea what the fukk they were talembout.
when, they dissed knick knack patty wack for cali love.
when, cali love would never have been made if not for k solo and epmd making knick knack patty wack.
california love would have never existed if not for knick knack patty wack....
we owe the entire evolution of the rap game and seeing anyone new.
almost exclusively to epmd, after the mainstays of the golden era.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
that is after a sonic landscape change you know nuffin about.
this is why people say you need to stfu.
all cause you really don't know the history and just be running ya mouth an exposing you a toy ass noob.
art barr
at being furious at 5 AM. Do you have a job or no? At least eat some breakfast before you stalk SirBiatch**stalking SirBiatch is not a job. No matter how many hours you put into it
I have to disagree with that
They was popular to Black HipHop heads in America. That's about it.
Numbers don't lie... Epmd wasn't selling records like the popular rappers, groups
Kriss Kross and Digital Underground sold more records than Epmd
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
For the time, on debut epmd was a gold standard in rap consistently. In an era not defined by sales for a group to permeate.
Epmd was originally the original consistent selling same sale envelope rap group on sleeping bag.
"thirty days later the LP went gold,..."
So want Chu saying
Then epmd doubled sales on sleeping bag and went platinum on defjam on the third album, breh.
Kriss kross was not a cultural group.
Their entire scope was to ripoff the highest selling base of biv10's ABC.
Just like sylk tymes leather was made to ripoff and bite at that time.
the highest selling base sales of salt n pepa.
You really can not compare those two groups sales spike sellout numbers to epmd.
Those two groups were not made to ever draw in the same realm.
Alternatively, Du, a queens based rap group had the impact and connection to the west.
Which created trickle down similar to any west coast gangsta rap group.
With a gateway character, a dance and had what would be for the time.
Easily considered the freakiest and best executed taboo Content in rap on par with what could be looked at as what if luke had skill with the ultra taboo for the time sex packets.
That also included the most fun on film video ever and one of the most fun songs in rap history as their debut.
Which was followed up by a flop lesd single ep in a chevy chase movie but debuted Pac. Where they immediately fell off on that next ep in every facet from culturally to sales to skills.
While du never drew after their first album consistently and their ep did not draw with same song any more in the same fever as sex packets did. As it did not have as strong of single release schedule.
While alternatively epmd had an excellent release schedule, since their debut.
One of the most consistent in rap and had excellent placements on the greatest rap content based and themed perfect classic soundtrack ever in the juice. It just so happened that epmd never had the lead single placement on juice that du had.
Plus, they originally were on sleeping bag and not large distributed labels marketing permeation wise like Columbia and I believe du was CBS.
If I remember labels for du without googling.
Anyway, for that time epmd was as high of a drawing rap group as there was.
Plus they also converted when put into a higher drawing situation for that exact time on defjam. If not for their issues admin wise with pmd trying to play his homies.
all of them Erick included,...then maybe their social dysfunction would not lend such a black eye on their drawing era and careers. They are not the group that will have a reclamation project. that creates a fake mythos like their west coast drawing compatriots in NWA. So, they won't get that nostalgia time honored look like NWA. Yet for the time, they were as high of a fully credible non-fall off group culturally and skill wise as you could find for their era.
They arguably also have four classics in a row and by revisionist ideals would possibly have four straight perfect classics in a row aa well.
Art Barr
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The beats were boring.
28 Gramz
How U Luv That???
EPMD - Strictly Business 1988 > Warren G - I Shot The Sheriff 1997
EPMD - Let It Flow 1988 > Nas - Nastradamus 1999
EPMD - You Gots To Chill 1988 > Every West Coast rapper who tried to freak it afterwards.Ice Cube, South Central Cartel and Biggie included.
EPMD - Its My Thang 1988 = Jay Z - Aint No nikka 1996/ Dru Down - Pimp Of The Year 1994
EPMD - You're A Customer 1988 = Jodeci - Come And Talk To Me Remix 1992/
Jagged Edge/fabolous- I Really Wanna Know You 2006
EPMD - So What You Saying 1989 > Beanie Sigel So What You Saying 2001 , Dr Dre - Stranded On Death Row.1992, Ice Cube - jacking For Beats 1990
EPMD - Get The Bozack 1989 = DMX - Get At Me Dog 1998
EPMD - Please Listen To My Demo 1989 > Kriss Kross - Tonight 1995, Ice Cube - Record Company Pimpin 2000,
EPMD - Knick Knack Patty Wack 1989 = Dr Dre , 2Pac - california Love 1996
EPMD - Rampage 1990 = Cypress Hill - How I Could Just Kill A Man 1991
EPMD - For My People 1990 > The Game - No More Fun and Games 2005
EPMD - Brothers On My Jock 1990 = Ghostface Killah - Daytona 500, 1996
EPMD - Underground 1990 = Black Moon - How Many Mc's 1993
EPMD - Funky Paino 1990 > 50 Cent - Disco Inferno 2005
EPMD - Headbanger 1992 = Ruff Ryders - Ryde Or Die
To put the emphasis on EPMDs influence on G Funk
You have to ask....why did an all west coast album have EPMD on it?
Listen to this song produced by eric Seron in 1992. This song came out a few months before The Chronic. In 2017 it sounds like G Funk but in late 1992 this was the EPMD sound.
No crew had shyt on lock like DefSquad/Hit Squad 1992. Das Efx had the early part, K Solo and Epmd had the summer and Redman closed out the year. Early 90's Marly was still nice..Large Professor was dope, Preemo was that dude but EPMD were the best at repping that hardcore ny sound. They fukked everything up by breaking up.
Im 1991 i was listening to this album and nikkaz4life equally. Both of them are equal level classics.
#1 summer hip hop album 1992.....Between the boomerang soundtrack, Mo Money soundtrack, dj quik, Little sHawns debutalbum, MC Brains debut album and MC Rens ep....EPMD had the best album that summer.
That Redman track is not G Funk.