Oh ok. My bad breh, I guess I misinterpreted what you said. But god damn man, you guys gotta stop quoting every sentence in a post. It makes it damn near impossible to read. I read the first couple pages then had to tap out.
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Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?
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Oh ok. My bad breh, I guess I misinterpreted what you said. But god damn man, you guys gotta stop quoting every sentence in a post. It makes it damn near impossible to read. I read the first couple pages then had to tap out.
Fred.
It's not as simple as you're making it out to be either. From the same link you posted:
Throughout its development, pop music has absorbed influences from most other genres of popular music. Early pop music drew on the sentimental ballad for its form, gained its use of vocal harmonies from gospel and soul music, instrumentation from jazz, country, and rock music, orchestration from classical music, tempo from dance music, backing from electronic music, rhythmic elements from hip-hop music, and has recently appropriated spoken passages from rap.[5]
It is simple as that. You're getting into what pop music is, I don't care about all that.
The second sentence of the article point blank tells you "the two terms are used interchangeably, but pop music and popular music are not synonymous."
Popular =/= pop. And it don't....never did, never will.
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we know the song went pop organically. that's not a knock on them. the knock would be if they set out for the song to go pop.
lol. just because missy was one of a whopping 30 acts at "rock the bells" it doesn't mean that anybody in the crowd necessarily came to see her. especially the type of crowd that RTB attracts. youre looking desperate right now.
buddah lovahz is an r&b song? how come I never saw it on video soul? I mean the album was prolly sittin at 2 mil when the video was out. surely video soul would've gave it a spin or two. now granted, I'm not labeling it as a rap song either. its just.....BONE.
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The song was a crossover hit and crossed them over to Pop audiences. Regardless if it did it organically is irrelevant. That wasn't the point I was trying to make anyway.
Missy was on the bill for RTB. It attracts Hip Hop audiences. Why put Missy Elliott on the bill if her music doesn't cater to those audiences?
Just because you never saw "Buddah Lovahz" on Video Soul doesn't make it any less of an R&B song.
@ the bolded. ITS VERY RELEVANT. EXTREMELY!!!!!
the same way missy got inducted into "hip-hop honors" twice and got chitted on both times. come on man. stop playing dumb.
is mr Ouija an r&b song?
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what about all the commercial urban records that don't even register in the "pop" scene?
I need examples but you can still make "poppy" songs that flop on the bigger "pop" charts. Those that only register to urban top 40 are pop records to "black" people similar to how Doo Wop was originally "urban pop" before it crossed over into the larger "pop" (white) market.
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You conceded that it was Pop after arguing that it wasn't. Whether it was organic or not is a moot point at this juncture. Besides that was covered pages ago.
The Hip Hop Honors is apples and oranges in comparison to RTB. If you want to take it there though, I guess Salt N Pepa don't have a Hip Hop audience either. They were honored twice and made R&B records as well. They also have a very similar fan base to Missy. And if you're trying to push some "defending the integrity of Hip Hop" agenda here, Missy's one of the few female honorees who wrote their own rhymes. No other female honored has had the career Missy has had. So I don't really see what you're getting at with the bolded.
As far as Mr. Ouija: they are still singing and if you're dismissing it because of the repetition of murder, it doesn't change the style.
theres nothing wrong with being pop-accepted, as long as you aren't blatantly seeking out pop-acceptance. THATS THE WHOLE POINT. how can you argue to the death about something when you don't even understand the main idea of it all?
at least your consistent about mr Ouija. I gotta give you that much.
the difference is that salt n pepa left an indullible(sp?) mark on hip-hop. also, salt n pepa could go on most of these legends tours and close the show. missy cant do that. the crowd would start to file out once she hits the stage.
who cares if missy wrote her rhymes? them chits is WACK. theres plenty of women who wrote their rhymes and were actually good at it. by your logic, they should be inducted instead.
ehh.
how about you post the examples of these urban pop records that youre talking about?
cuz I'm dam sure not in disagreement about Pharrell's garbage.
You just argued that "Crossroads" wasn't Pop and now you're conceding that it was. That's why the whole "organic" argument is irrelevant. It's not the whole point of the thread. This thread was questioning why it's frowned upon. Whether it's blatant or not, some people aren't going to care. There's people who won't care because they only care whether it sounds good to them. Others won't care because they view all Pop music in the same light.
Missy also left an indelible mark on Hip Hop. Everything you're saying about Salt N Pepa applies to Missy Elliott.
Wack is subjective and irrelevant to the point. She wrote her own rhymes and got further with them than females who didn't. And if you're saying that her rhymes were wack, then it speaks volumes as to why the females who didn't write their own rhymes couldn't make it past three albums. What's funny is several of them had Missy on their albums rapping.