Why is pop/catchy music frowned upon in hip-hop/R&B?
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Yessir.
If I read a 400 page book, and find a sentence inspiring, inspiring enough I flip the meaning and write my own 400 page book based off of it, is that not original my breh?
theyre not hot takes. its the truth. that's why youre mad.
and stop acting like a lil bytch all the time. MAN UP. and dont worry, I'm here for you if you need help chump.
She was popular because she was a safe negro that's why she was selling more than Foxy Brown, Trina and Lil Kim even though their music was garbage too you and madetbh , I agree with some of your points but I never will understand why you find any of Missy Elliot or Ludacris music good at all
"Look at me I'm a weirdo doing weird music videos with big heads n shyt" like breh she wasn't creative Busta did all that creative music video shyt before her and his music was actually good
and here's why you can walk with that garbage. Missy's music wasn't safe. And here's why you can walk with that statement. The fact that you are even mentioning Foxy, Trina, Kim is why Missy's music wasn't safe. Foxy, Trina, and Kim sold sex and when they weren't talking about sex it was them talking about drugs and violence. Now all of that has it's place, but what Foxy, Trina, and Kim was more of the norm than what Missy was doing. Foxy, Trina, and Kim made safe music because being sexy is what society expects females to be. Missy music was more defiant than what they were offering. Did Missy talk about sex? Of course, but she didn't look the role. It wasn't the main aspect of her music. Missy didn't look like a sex symbol and her music sounded nothing like anybody else's. You couldn't put Missy into a box. She was something in between Cee Lo Green and Lauryn Hill, albeit less lyrical.And by the time she came out with album #5, there was nothing safe about this:
^^^ 10+ years before Beyoncé made the "Formation" video or performed it at the Super Bowl.
This thread has nothing to do with your feeling on those artist that we have seen 100 times before
@JustCKing missy is an r&b rapper.
she didn't have to do anything that was "of the norm" in hip-hop.
hip-hoppers weren't the ones supporting her career, in general.
stop being a dikkhead.
I didn't give my personal opinion on any of them. what I said was pure facts.
you don't know how I feel about any of them. for all you know, they could all be my favorite artists.
she didn't have to do anything that was "of the norm" in hip-hop.
hip-hoppers weren't the ones supporting her career, in general.
stop being a dikkhead.
I didn't give my personal opinion on any of them. what I said was pure facts.
you don't know how I feel about any of them. for all you know, they could all be my favorite artists.
Detroit_blue
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So love songs are pop? Going pop is to conform from your true self to suit a different demographic. Music from the soul isnt pop. Tony braxton whitney, minnie, anita baker aint pop. Paula abdul n madonna are. Sales dont classify your sound
Detroit_blue
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Missy is super hip hop. 4 elements include b boying. Watch her videos. Hip hop is not 1 thing. She is original and produces.
Detroit_blue
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nikkas dont know shyt man. Selling out is lil wayne going pop is wayne. Compare his career to anyone u like n u see it
Conforming has nothing to do with going Pop. There is Pop music that can be challenging and different. There's Pop music with soul in it. Music that reaches the masses and makes the Top 40 is going to be classified as a Pop record regardless of what genre it falls into. Pop isn't defined by a sound. It's a format and is meant for mass consumption.
Detroit_blue
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Exactly but similar structure doesnt indicate your genre. Corforming is going pop in HIP HOP. Dmx aint go pop on slippin nor hows it going down. Organic hits are not pop no matter how u structure it. You talkin charts talk about the music n youll answer ops question. We hate in HIP HOP when artist blatantly reach for a hit.
It doesn't matter whether it's organic or not. "Slow Motion" is a song that got love from the hood and the streets before it even became a single. Once Juve released it as a single, it shot to #1. It was organic, but still a Pop song, because it wasn't just a song that was huge in the hood/streets and became popular all over. If it's consumed by the masses, it's Pop. If it's structured like a Pop song, it's technically a Pop song. It's not exactly rocket science. And yes, DMX went Pop without necessarily blatantly trying to become a Pop artist.
And no people don't hate in Hip Hop when artists blatantly reach for a hit. A lot of that hate comes from:
1) artists no longer fitting into the box that their original, day one audience put them in
2) they are no longer exclusive because now the masses know about them (pretty much started happening to Weeknd before he even had a Max Martin produced single)
Lauryn Hill and a host of other artist didn't conform, but the music still crossed over to the masses.