Why isn’t the history of the Arab (Muslim) Slave Trade more well known and discussed?

[Prynce]

Somalis were black Muslims and were never enslaved. Ion know what y’all nikkas talking about and Somalis know that they are not Arab

 

[voiture]

Somalis were black Muslims and were never enslaved. Ion know what y’all nikkas talking about and Somalis know that they are not Arab

Not all black nations that are Christian/secular today were enslaved by the Europeans either so what exactly is your point?

Slavery is evil no matter who does it. The Arabian slave trade would still be going on today if the western nation didn't force them to abandon it.
The western nations threatened Saudi and Yemen if they didn't abandon the slave trade

1962 Slavery is abolished in Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Saudi Arabian Slavery Persists Despite Ban by Faisal in 1962​

Saudi Arabian Slavery Persists Despite Ban by Faisal in 1962 (Published 1967)

slavery continues as a benign inst; seen on decline; practice described

www.nytimes.com

There is still slavery going on in Arab lands today. In Libya they have a weak government so it's impossible to hide it so it's wide open...With just $500, you can buy another human in Libya

 

[KingADOS]

The Arab slave trade inslaved Africans, arabs, whites, indians, Chinese etc. everyone was a slave, it wasn’t just limited to black people which is different than the North Atlantic slave trade were it was primarily Africans. In Islam despite enslaving Africans, Africans were able to rise into high positions among the various Islamic empires. This was untrue of Western Christianity until the last 75 years or so.

Why do y’all want to associate slavery with black people so bad fukk do you mean we need to teach this in schools. I swear some of y’all just want our history to consists of slavery or getting fukked over by nonblack people

Is that why they purposely castrated the black ones so they would fukk “their” women?

Sound Arab your damn self

 

[Prynce]

Not all black nations that are Christian/secular today were enslaved by the Europeans either so what exactly is your point?

Slavery is evil no matter who does it. The Arabian slave trade would still be going on today if the western nation didn't force them to abandon it.
The western nations threatened Saudi and Yemen if they didn't abandon the slave trade

1962 Slavery is abolished in Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Saudi Arabian Slavery Persists Despite Ban by Faisal in 1962​

Saudi Arabian Slavery Persists Despite Ban by Faisal in 1962 (Published 1967)

slavery continues as a benign inst; seen on decline; practice described

www.nytimes.com

There is still slavery going on in Arab lands today. In Libya they have a weak government so it's impossible to hide it so it's wide open...With just $500, you can buy another human in Libya

that didn’t affect my people so meh

 

[*~bigg~vvvave~*]

it's connected to their religion

& they defend their religion violently

just another flavor of humanities mental illness ha

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[The Fade]

Any good thorough books on this topic tho?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Yea Arab culture might’ve introduced Black slaves as “luxury items” for rich Arabs and Europeans from the jump

But it also justified Blacks/Africans as slaves by race and skin color seeing their Holy book and so called Prophet endorsed it.

Nobody is questioning “God” or this particular religions conception of God.

Islam spearheaded the slave trade business, and made normal the dehumanization, discrimination and racism towards Africans that would later spread around the entire world.

It’s kinda a two part process. It’s like you say “Islam and the slave trade is one of the very early examples of using culture (and religion) to dehumanize Black people.

My question for you is, did Arab culture PRE ISLAM hold these same views toward Black/African people?

And further, what is an “Arab” anyway if you take Islam and Arabic language out the equation?

Ethiopians were enslaved in Pre-Islamic Arabia as well. So it goes beyond Islam. The thing Islam provided was a common banner and a very rapid and efficient assimilation process wherein non-Arab groups were and remain to this day dependent on the cultural foundations of their groups as opposed to the indigenous cultures which were properly tuned to inculcate them with the right ideals which fit who they are and affirm their value in this world as human beings.

In terms of what an Arab actually is, I can’t do that question justice that’s a lot of history. But I supposed the easiest way to put it is they are the people of the Arabian peninsula whom later migrated outward and into other places like North Africa. I would think they are a heavily mixed group given that it’s a crossroads area between Africa and the Western and Eastern ends of Eurasia.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Any good thorough books on this topic tho?

Islam’s Black Slaves was a good one for me. Not too long and gives you a rundown of the whole eastern portion of the diaspora. You’d be surprised where Africans ended up…

 

[brehsimilitude]

It’s really eye opening stuff

what is the legacy of "arab slavery" breh ?

 

[O Fenômeno]

But weren’t “Arabs” characterized as nomadic, “savages” who before Islam were pagans and lived a life of robbing and plunder. That’s why Muhammad wanted to “civilize” them and bring them monotheism.

Was it religion that made Arabs feel superior to the non Muslim Africans?

If so Wouldn’t everyone be equal regardless of race once they accepted Islam and worthy of the same respect as their Muslim brothers?

Maybe the African converts to Islam didn’t wanna change their culture and lifestyle to that of the Arabs

Maybe they resisted arabization and Arabs didn’t like that.

Maybe Arab feared Africans and used hate, racism and slavery to try and dominate them in their own country

You gotta see the issue with a religion being tied so closely to and often inseparable from a particular culture/Arab identity

Christians can be any race/nationality/ethnicity and still keep most aspects of their original identity, lifestyle, language and culture with no conflict with Jesus teachings or the Bible

In Islam you gotta be come “Arab” to an extent to fit in or assimilate and be considered a “good” Muslim in Arab countries

With the exception being the Black Moslems in NOI I guess

You're right Arabs were pagan savages before the advent of islam.

 

[voiture]

You're right Arabs were pagan savages before the advent of islam.

Their own books say they used to worship stones and circled a black box (tawaf) long before Islam came around.


"Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it."

Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377 - Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) - كتاب المغازى - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Somehow this pagan practice found it's way into Islam

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Arabs enslaved everyone...that's the difference. Turks would have Eastern European females as concubines and slaves...male slaves too. They didnt discriminate like that.

Euro/Transatlantic slavery was mainly about Blacks...so it hits different.

 

[Manny2828]

False equivalency. The word for brehs is literally slave for those dudes so as much as they kept everyone in bondage they didn't treat us all the same. Arabs castrated Black male slaves they didn't do that to white and Chinese. They raped out women. Most Arab Black DNA is from Black women by a huge margin because of their rape culture which still continues today.

It's always a problem discussion oppression here because people turn it into a competition of who suffered more. You are downplaying Arabic slavery to what end?

Arabs and Berbers continue the culture of Enslaving Black Africans in North Africa TODAY who try to make passage to Europe. But you think it's irrelevant history when it's still current events.

Slavic/Eastern Europeans were also casterated

Bruh every race of women that was enslaved was either in a harem or taken as a concubine you think it was only limited to black women? I’m not trying to cape for sandcacs but we weren’t the only victims in that slave trade.

 

[Manny2828]

Is that why they purposely castrated the black ones so they would fukk “their” women?

Sound Arab your damn self

Black men weren’t the only ones castarated. I remember it was basically any male slave that was a house servant was castarated. I took a class on this back in college.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Arabs enslaved everyone...that's the difference. Turks would have Eastern European females as concubines and slaves...male slaves too. They didnt discriminate like that.

Euro/Transatlantic slavery was mainly about Blacks...so it hits different.

If you put it like that, yes “everyone enslaved everyone” throughout history.

When looking at it strictly from a religious perspective, it’s clear in the video that only Africans/Blacks could remain slaves after being converted to Islam.

That’s the issue.

Also Muhammad having Black African slaves and valuing them less than non black slaves sets a bad precedent for his followers during the spread of Islam and Muslims up until now, hence the issues Africans are still facing in Muslim countries.