Why isn’t the history of the Arab (Muslim) Slave Trade more well known and discussed?

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Slavic/Eastern Europeans were also casterated

Bruh every race of women that was enslaved was either in a harem or taken as a concubine :dahell: you think it was only limited to black women? I’m not trying to cape for sandcacs but we weren’t the only victims in that slave trade.
Their genetics tell the story of what they did to Black women. Beyond that Arabic slave trade predates many others and post dated them yet there was no sizeable amount of Black people that were transplanted descendants left to tell the story. You put 2 and 2 together. Where are the defendants of Arab slavery? You also downplayed the fact that they still target and recruit Black women to be their indentured servants today purposely to abuse them and deny them rights. They are not doing that in Eastern Europe or China.

Stop with the false equivalency. Western Europeans view slavs with a bias. Arabs don't have names for them and Chinese that are synonymous with slaves. They don't have a continued cultured of targeted exploitation of them either.
 

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If you put it like that, yes “everyone enslaved everyone” throughout history. :beli:

When looking at it strictly from a religious perspective, it’s clear in the video that only Africans/Blacks could remain slaves after being converted to Islam.

That’s the issue.

Also Muhammad having Black African slaves and valuing them less than non black slaves sets a bad precedent for his followers during the spread of Islam and Muslims up until now, hence the issues Africans are still facing in Muslim countries.
All facts.
 

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When looking at it strictly from a religious perspective, it’s clear in the video that only Africans/Blacks could remain slaves after being converted to Islam.
Besides a video, do you have a source?
Also Muhammad having Black African slaves and valuing them less than non black slaves sets a bad precedent for his followers during the spread of Islam and Muslims up until now, hence the issues Africans are still facing in Muslim countries.
Besides a video, do you have a source. I’d like to read this?
 

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Their genetics tell the story of what they did to Black women. Beyond that Arabic slave trade predates many others and post dated them yet there was no sizeable amount of Black people that were transplanted descendants left to tell the story. You put 2 and 2 together. Where are the defendants of Arab slavery? You also downplayed the fact that they still target and recruit Black women to be their indentured servants today purposely to abuse them and deny them rights. They are not doing that in Eastern Europe or China.

Stop with the false equivalency. Western Europeans view slavs with a bias. Arabs don't have names for them and Chinese that are synonymous with slaves. They don't have a continued cultured of targeted exploitation of them either.

There actually is a sizeable afro communities in Egypt, Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Morocco. These people also target Filipinos, Indonesians and Indians to be indentured slaves and deny them rights. I’m not doing false equivalency I’m just saying their are other races that are also victims it isn’t just limited to Africans. However, I agree that africans are associated with slavery and are referred to as “abeed” which means slave
 

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There's a very good book written on this by professor Johnathan Brown who is an authority on this issue:



But the coli doesn't like to read.

Slavery in the Muslim world in the early period was very different from the transatlantic slavery. You could only become a slave if you were a prisoner of war. That's it. All other avenues were closed (unlike in pre-Islamic Arabia). A slave had the right to a living wage. The right to earn his freedom. You could not be born into slavery so the children of slaves were all born free. You didn't have a "slave class" as such and slaves often became scholars or even rulers who established dynasties (The Mamluke Dynasty in Egypt was established by Slavic Slaves, Mamluke literally means "belongs to someone " i.e slave). Morally, slave owners were encouraged to free slaves. There's no parallel to this in any other ancient society and that's just facts :manny:

Slavery in the West was abolished due to the industrial revolution which made slave labor redundant in the West and not because cacs felt sorry for black ppl (some did). But throughout history, slavery was just a fact of life.

According to even western orientalist experts on Islamic law, enslaving ppl because of their race or to even initiate wars of conquest for the purpose of acquiring slaves is against the Shari'a (legal code) of Islam. That didn't prevent Muslim sultanates in Oman and Yemen from doing just that for financial reasons. But then again, some of them engaged in sodomy, fratricide, mutilation of male slaves by way of castration, assassination, consumption of alcohol, and other acts that clearly went against sacred law. Many Muslim rulers were corrupt:manny:

If Islam promotes the enslavement of black ppl what about the black Islamic dynasties in west, east and North Africa? Surely an anti black religion would not have allowed the establishment of prosperous black civilizations? Show me an equivalent Christian black civilization. There's only Abyssinia. Ironically, that's where the early Muslims sought refuge, but they were anti black :troll:
 
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Also, Islam was considered a slave religion and a religion for the poor and marginalized, which is why Muslims were persecuted by the wealthy classes of mecca. Most of the early converts were slaves, the impoverished, women and other marginalized groups. You find this feature in all major religions and Islam is no different. Early followers of Jesus and Moses were also the marginalized classes and not the arrogant rulers who hated any way of life that would challenge their power over others.

The idea that Islam promotes slavery is nothing short of absurd.

Doesn't mean that some Muslim rulers didn't engage in acts that were anti Islamic. Clearly they did.
 

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There's a very good book written on this by professor Johnathan Brown who is an authority on this issue:



But the coli doesn't like to read.

Slavery in the Muslim world in the early period was very different from the transatlantic slavery. You could only become a slave if you were a prisoner of war. That's it. All other avenues were closed (unlike in pre-Islamic Arabia). A slave had the right to a living wage. The right to earn his freedom. You could not be born into slavery so the children of slaves were all born free. You didn't have a "slave class" as such and slaves often became scholars or even rulers who established dynasties (The Mamluke Dynasty in Egypt was established by Slavic Slaves, Mamluke literally means "belongs to someone " i.e slave). Morally, slave owners were encouraged to free slaves. There's no parallel to this in any other ancient society and that's just facts :manny:

Slavery in the West was abolished due to the industrial revolution which made slave labor redundant in the West and not because cacs felt sorry for black ppl (some did). But throughout history, slavery was just a fact of life.

According to even western orientalist experts on Islamic law, enslaving ppl because of their race or to even initiate wars of conquest for the purpose of acquiring slaves is against the Shari'a (legal code) of Islam. That didn't prevent Muslim sultanates in Oman and Yemen from doing just that for financial reasons. But then again, some of them engaged in sodomy, fratricide, mutilation of male slaves by way of castration, assassination, consumption of alcohol, and other acts that clearly went against sacred law. Many Muslim rulers were corrupt:manny:

If Islam promotes the enslavement of black ppl what about the black Islamic dynasties in west, east and North Africa? Surely an anti black religion would not have allowed the establishment of prosperous black civilizations? Show me an equivalent Christian black civilization. There's only Abyssinia pretty much. :jbhmm:

If you go to Europe you can see all the ancient artifacts of black Christian kings and queens. It’s still there this day. Also there’s plenty of books that speak on Black Christian kingdoms
 

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Various reasons :

- History in the West (meaning the History most of us here are familiar with) is White-Centric. So much that they hardly even teach the crimes the other people commited lmao.
- The US is the most powerful empire the world has ever known. Meaning that its history will be studied and dissected way more than the one of other areas of the world. And that includes by the victims of said history (in this case, Black Americans, who have way more means and ressources to study the US past than say descendants of African slaves in the Arabic world). And a big part of that history is the transatlantic trade.
- White people, for better and for worse, have a tendency to register and save everything. Which means that there's tons of ressources available to study the transatlantic trade, as opposed to the transaharan trade.
- Arabs were colonized themselves, so they first studied their own history of domination and liberation. That, obviously, makes it hard to critically study your own dark history. On the other hand even within the frame of White supremacy some White people have been looking at their own crimes and history critically since forever. Arabs are in the strange place where they are both victims and perpretrators of widespread and structural racism (Kind of similar to Zionist Jews today). Blacks have only been victims of it, Whites have only been perpretrators.
- That also explains why some Black people decided to not spend that much time on the transaharan slave trade because the main enemy was White supremacism and colonialism. And in that fight a sort of alliance with Arabs was possible and was made, especially in the non-aligned movement and panafricanism. And while Arabs enslaved Black Africans, White people enslaved Black Africans AND massively colonized them : the long-term impact of the second form of domination is more lasting than the first. Which is why for example way more Black Africans speak english or french than they do arabic.
- Religion, obviously, makes it harder to confront that particular history.

All that being said there's clearly much more need to study that form of structural long-term massive slavery and, in general, Anti-Black racism in the Arabic/Muslim world.
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Because Black Muslims c00n it up and Juelz when it comes to this . They scream Moor this Moor that like they’re some deities but it was those nikkas that had Sub-Saharan Africans in shackles.

In reality nikkas really don’t know history and pick and choose what aspects they want to get deep into and which aspects they want to deny .

History is far more complex than what nikkas want to admit which is why I don’t engage in discussions like that because nikkas quick to shut down and call you a c00n when you say some real shyt that hurts their feelings
They also cacs in shackles but I agree their c00ning went out of control smh should have never thought those cacs shyt 99% of Europeans were illiterate and they only had like one university while the Moors built 20-30 in Spain
 

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Probably not, dude a Christian fundamentalist pushing his very obvious anti-islam agenda.

Besides a video, do you have a source?

Besides a video, do you have a source. I’d like to read this?

I dunno why you’d ask me and not trust the sources of the channel which seems beyond credible

But all the proof comes straight from verses in the Koran and Hadith. These facts are well know and not hidden. Just google it

I’m more into the history and culture of African/middle East regions and the African diaspora than anything

It just so happens religion is a big part of that story which can’t be ignored

Let’s be honest, it always makes for a good debate :manny:

Everyone has their own perspective and bias based on their beliefs and experiences......you being clearly anti Christian But at some point simple logic and common sense must be taken in account.

Ultimately it’s not about religion but what’s right and what’s wrong
 

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Because we’re Black Americans like why would we care about the Arab slave trade?

For one, a lot of Black Americans throughout history were made to think Islam is the “true black mans religion” in contrast to the “white Jesus” European view of Christianity.

Just look at Muhammad Ali and maybe your favorite rapper growing up

Also knowing history can help you understand why things are today concerning black people. If you care.
 
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