Why It's Impossible to Indict a Cop

[ghostwriterx]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...nions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

Sounds more like a problem with the arbitration process. Are we assuming there won't be unions in the private sector? @DEAD7

 

[DEAD7]

Sounds more like a problem with the arbitration process. Are we assuming there won't be unions in the private sector? @DEAD7

There will be.


*whiny voice*"how will they be different?"
the relationship between state and public unions is fraught with too many conflicts of interest.


*whiny voice* "such as?"
I dont want to get into a union debate, Let me just say, I'm not anti union, and in fact I believe labor laws have weakened unions and made them less dynamic and less suited to modern economic conditions.


The *whiny voice* isnt a jab at you @ghostwriterx

 

[observe]

 

[Piff Perkins]

Wouldnt be any different then what we have now...Except private police forces wouldnt get to investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong

I think people just see "privatize" and get shook for no reason.

Wouldnt be any different then what we have now...Except private police forces wouldnt get to investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong

I think people just see "privatize" and get shook for no reason.

They get shook for good reason. Policing should be a public service, not something subject to the free market. Who will pay for privatization? How will it be set up in inner cities? If a city doesn't pay, do they lose protection? And from a police perspective, how are health insurance and benefits handled?

I agree cameras should be mandatory, as do you...who pays for those if police are privatized?

 

[Jutt]

Their murdering niqqas on cam, in the states and getting away with it. Link me to the private business doing the same with zero repercussion.

Not the same as killing people. And not EXACTLY the same type of circumstances...but this is what i was talking about before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp

Bosnia incidents

n the late 1990s, two employees, Ben Johnston, a former DynCorp aircraft mechanic, and Kathryn Bolkovac, a U.N. International Police Force monitor, independently alleged that DynCorp employees in Bosnia engaged in sex with minors, and sold them to each other as slaves.[92][93] Both Johnston and Bolkovac were fired, and Johnston was later placed into protective custody before leaving several days later.[94]

On June 2, 2000, an investigation was launched in the DynCorp hangar at Comanche Base Camp, one of two U.S. bases in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and all DynCorp personnel were detained for questioning.[94] CID spent several weeks investigating and the results appear to support Johnston's allegations.[94] DynCorp had fired five employees for similar illegal activities prior to the charges.[95] Many of the employees accused of sex trafficking were forced to resign under suspicion of illegal activity. However, as of 2014 no one had been prosecuted.[96]

In 2002, Bolkovac filed a lawsuit in Great Britain against DynCorp for unfair dismissal due to a protected disclosure (whistleblowing), and won.[97] Bolkovac co-authored a book with Cari Lynn titled The Whistleblower: Sex Trafficking, Military Contractors And One Woman's Fight For Justice. In 2010, a film titled The Whistleblower, starring Rachel Weiszand Vanessa Redgrave, was released.[98][99]

Again not a like for like incident, but it does set a bit of a precedence when it comes to prosecuting these guys. Now maybe things will be different as you said on a local scale, but that remains to be seen. Again not saying its necessarily a bad idea...just seems sketchy to me.

 

[NobodyReally]

Body cams and private(contracted) law enforcement is the way to go IMHO.

Yeah cause privatized prison systems has worked out so well for us.

 

[PikaDaDon]

 

[DEAD7]

Yeah cause privatized prison systems has worked out so well for us.

Ignoring the sham that "private prisons" are, you are telling me that whats true of one private business, is true of all private businesses?

 

[DEAD7]

They get shook for good reason. Policing should be a public service, not something subject to the free market. Who will pay for privatization? How will it be set up in inner cities? If a city doesn't pay, do they lose protection? And from a police perspective, how are health insurance and benefits handled?

I agree cameras should be mandatory, as do you...who pays for those if police are privatized?

Just because it should be public, doesn't mean its best as such.
I think we need to accept that "public goods/services" are inevitably going to favor whites.

 

[ghostwriterx]

So we need more corporations?

 

[NobodyReally]

Ignoring the sham that "private prisons" are, you are telling me that whats true of one private business, is true of all private businesses?

I'm saying they have converging interests, and that the problems we see occurring in one business would appear in the other. They may even cooperate to expand their profit....at our expense. How would you propose mitigating that sort of outcome?

 

[shonuff]

Ignoring the sham that "private prisons" are, you are telling me that whats true of one private business, is true of all private businesses?

i think what he is saying is when it comes to "privatized" functions that were once administrered by the government what you definitely wind up with is a shyt show and more damage is done not just because the contractors dont have a vested intrest in doing the right thing - but also because the often do the WRONG thing to make a profit or increase profit

look up how they fukked up juvenille detention in MD or of course Blackwater and its policing

i mean on the real - competition like what cable companies ?

electric power?

you cant really say that even those things are managed well ....or fairly

 

[DEAD7]

I'm saying they have converging interests, and that the problems we see occurring in one business would appear in the other. They may even cooperate to expand their profit....at our expense. How would you propose mitigating that sort of outcome?

Prisons don't interact with the public in the same way as police, and its easier to bend/break rules out of the view of the public. Officers don't have this luxury. What they do have is self regulation and the ability to determine they have done no wrong... That's what privatizing them will end.

That said, I can say(for certain) that we wouldn't see those sort of outcomes, but we would definitely be in a better position to address those problems, through local elections and market competition.

 

[Brown_Pride]

So we need more corporations?

took the words right out my mouth.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Just because it should be public, doesn't mean its best as such.
I think we need to accept that "public goods/services" are inevitably going to favor whites.

And the free market doesn't too? Come on breh.

Whites are the dominant race in this country, nearly everything benefits them. If you want to change police brutality you gotta start with the justice system, specifically prosecutors. And begin disarming cops. Not saying they shouldn't have guns, but the militarization of their equipment has to go.

Ultimately none of this will stop majority white grand juries from siding with force. But even with the NY case it's not 100% the fault of the jury. The prosecution deliberately didn't discuss involuntary manslaughter or wrongful death situations/charges. They went straight for murder, which can confuse a jury and more importantly allow them a cop out ("it's not murder because it was an accident.")