Why liberals should stop trying to ‘help’ black Americans

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I guess I have a different view point than a lot of people but I believe deep in my heart that government cannot and is unable to help the Black Community. The only help that we should be willing to take from the government is the help they offer to black owned business in accordance to tax cuts. But other than that we shouldn't accept policing or welfare from them. We need to stand on our own two feet and do what we do best. Thrive and survive. They shouldn't hinder us or create laws that will set us back. Remember. Time is Flat. The numbers game got turned into the lotto. Watch what happens with Weed. But we will continue to live and innovate without them or their "help".
 

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Well with black people like you, who needs enemies. Seems likening black people to children would be the same sort of condescending and patronizing attitude you're accusing others of harboring.

Our people can continue to stew in lowered expectations and victim-hood. I guess that's always an option. :yeshrug:
 

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You dont have to say it, when you smuggle the implication into your posts by characterizing the relationship between "the black" and "the liberal" as blatantly dishonest and disingenuous, and ultimately harmful to black folks, which we as a collective somehow just cant see through. Asking stupid questions like "where is the progress for black people since the liberal starting helping", are leading ones that you're already convinced yourself you know the answer to personally. Its an intellectual bait and switch. Switch the real problem (racism), and insert the real problem something internally wrong with black people, that we ourselves cant "figure out"

Thats why I introduced the stat that showed 42% of black stem grads are either unemployed or underemployed. They've seemed to have "figured it out", but "figuring it out" is no real match for racism four centuries in the making.

well first of all if i was saying black people are too dumb i would have said that, i dont have any problem saying things that some may find insulting if i think its the truth

i think a lot of the support black people give liberals and democrats is perfectly logical, if you have a group of people that are blatantly racist and another group of people that say they are not racist and want to help black people its perfectly logical to support the side that claims they want to help and it may even be the smart thing to do at that particular moment in time

but what i am saying is that aside from racism the actual policies that liberals are advocating have to be analyzed to see if they are actually working and if the goals of liberalism are actually goals and methodologies that are pro black, im simply suggesting that there is divergence between those two things

i would equate liberalism to communism in the early 20th century, i think its perfectly understandable why a lot of black leaders and black people looked to communism as a counterforce to white racist capitalism, but over time it became apparent that the interests of communism and the interests of black people were not the same

im not calling people stupid, im just suggesting that its time for black people to move on, just like a lot of black people moved on from communism, like in communism liberals advocating against racism and the effectiveness and efficiency policies that liberals push are 2 very different things to me

i see myself as the future, im simply ahead, and as time goes on i think more black people will start seeing what im saying, in fact i predict that after obama leaves office there will be a shift in black voting patterns due to black people taking at hard look at liberal/democratic policies and doing a quality check on them

white people/ conservatives/ republicans can be racist as fuk it doesnt mean that black people should follow liberal policies or politics, or that liberal policies represent where we should go, racism is not the only issue, there are broader issues, racism is just one variable in a complex equation

as a black person i would have to reject your ideology because it seems that aside from being victims of racism and oppression black people do not have any real definition, i think your ideology represents an intellectual dead end for black people
 
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leaning right and and being a conservativwe are 2 different things

i never said black people are too dumb to formulate independent opinions, you are putting words in my mouth, so i dont know what the hell you are talking about
That's exactly what you're saying. If you want to replace the word "dumb" with "ignorant" or "brainwashed" okay, but this stance that black conservatives like yourself consistently take is essentially that black peoples' political positions and voting habits are born of a befuddled trust in white liberals, as opposed to an honest inquiry into policy.

If you don't think leftist policies serve the interests of black people fine, but you discredit yourself by parroting this demeaning "Democrat party plantation" crap oft-spewed by self-hating black tokens looking for a come up with a spot on Sean Hannity's show or somewhere similar.

You black conservatives need to make better arguments, preferably ones that do not insult the people you're trying to sway. I'm trying to help you present your positions better. I guess it's difficult for you guys because you're so invested in the idea of black people being inherently depraved.
 

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That's exactly what you're saying. If you want to replace the word "dumb" with "ignorant" or "brainwashed" okay, but this stance that black conservatives like yourself consistently take is essentially that black peoples' political positions and voting habits are born of a befuddled trust in white liberals, as opposed to an honest inquiry into policy.

If you don't think leftist policies serve the interests of black people fine, but you discredit yourself by parroting this demeaning "Democrat party plantation" crap oft-spewed by self-hating black tokens looking for a come up with a spot on Sean Hannity's show or somewhere similar.

You black conservatives need to make better arguments, preferably ones that do not insult the people you're trying to sway. I'm trying to help you present your positions better. I guess it's difficult for you guys because you're so invested in the idea of black people being inherently depraved.


i think black people vote for liberals/democrat because liberals claim to be anti racism, i think at one point that made sense but now it doesnt, i advocate a policy of splitting the vote,

what ive said about black people (which some may find insulting) is that black people have an anti academic culture and that its a bigger threat to black people than white racism

im not a conservative or a republican and you dont have to put false labels on me and put words in my mouth, ill tell you straight up what i think and who i am
 

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i think black people vote for liberals/democrat because liberals claim to be anti racism, i think at one point that made sense but now it doesnt, i advocate a policy of splitting the vote,

what ive said about black people (which some may find insulting) is that black people have an anti academic culture and that its a bigger threat to black people than white racism

im not a conservative or a republican and you dont have to put false labels on me and put words in my mouth, ill tell you straight up what i think and who i am


We're more than aware that you have a low opinion of blacks.
 

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The civil-rights struggles of the mid-20th century were liberalism at its best. The efforts culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which outlawed racial discrimination in employment and education and ensured the ability of blacks to register and vote.

LOL... in the first line this column indirectly admits that conservatives were against black voting rights, and overall civil rights.
 

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LOL... in the first line this column indirectly admits that conservatives were against black voting rights, and overall civil rights.


nobody is disputing that conservatives are racist, we are disputing the notion that racism overrules an actual analysis of the effectiveness of liberal policies

for example, conservatives being racist does not equate to affirmative action being an effective policy
 

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nobody is disputing that conservatives are racist, we are disputing the notion that racism overrules an actual analysis of the effectiveness of liberal policies

for example, conservatives being racist does not equate to affirmative action being an effective policy

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yeah, i know, what i said doesnt compute to you because you are only concerned with helping the poor oppressed black race

i see what you are confused about, you think how can a program made by the great white man to help blacks not be helpful to blacks?

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you are thoroughly befuddled
 

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You're just throwing catch-phrases around and not proving anything. You don't even have an argument.

"Actual analysis of the effectiveness of liberal policies" compared to what? The Conservative policies that A.) Don't exist or B.) Purposefully made things worse?
Give us actual examples then and not your narrow minded opinion of the world and your perception of Blacks and Liberals. We don't have to make your arguments for you.


You've admitted Conservatives are racist. Alright. You tell us to split the vote...

You're clearly not a very bright guy but what you're saying is as ignorant as saying Blacks shouldn't vote. Conservatives aren't going to bend to minorities wants, needs, or demands and there's decades of evidence that supports that. And that if there were even the vaguest possibility they would, why would you? This is a group of people that would like to see you dead, there's no if's and's or but's about it. That's the way that it is and nothing will change that. It's unconscionable to support a group that wants to see you fail.

Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously?
 
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