Why Moses Malone doesnt get the respect he should?

[TheNig]

Your imagination is a terrible source of information on Wilt Chamberlain. Try to use other sources to form your conclusions, ones that actually exist in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIVXtFuobg

Looks like he's gotta pretty solid "feel for the game" to me. Disrupted all the patterns of one of the highest bball IQ teams in history.




Anyways back to the topic of Moses. He's #6 on all-time centers for me, behind Wilt/Russell/Kareem/Shaq/Hakeem.

First off props on your reels as usual. But it doesn't change the fact that that in 8 tries he's only breast the Smeltics once or twice. I will continue to say he was a ball stopper who was busy concerned about his numbers and not winning. And @Brozay dude you wanna bring up a season where he averaged 8 asst. Let's talk about a season where he shot 38% from the line.

 

[gho3st]

1 Jordan
2 Wilt
3 Kareem
4 Russell
5 Kobe
6 Magic
7 Bird
8 Hakeem
9 Dr. J
10 Duncan/Shaq
11. Moses

*fixed

 

[threattonature]

wen tto back to back Finals and was MVP both of those years. Moses was that nikka.

I know. I'm just saying not being strictly tied to one team he's close aligned with leading to none of those teams parading his accomplishments and history.

 

[froggle]

I never saw breh play.

can someone describe his game and career please?

 

[nieman]

^^^ He was just a physical force in the paint. He had a soft touch around the basket as well....could face up and hit the 8-10 FTer, I would just say he had a knack for the ball around the basket, thats how he grabbed rebounds (along with missing shots to "get a better shot"), but he also had a quick second jump.

 

[murksiderock]

Most underrated GOAT ever....

The reason he doesn't get the respect he should is because he went into retirement quietly, no movies, no writing books, three silent years as an assistant like Duncan, no apparel, no interviews, no social media presence, he just faded away...

In a peak and prime that overlapped with Dr J, he peaked higher. Took two different teams to The Finals and bullied most people's GOAT center Kareem religiously. In a league that featured the heights of Kareem, Magic, Bird, Dr J, he had a turn as best player alive...

Being a ball-stopper, his conditioning, being tough to coach, having a limited game are all fair criticisms. But he was dominant at the rim, he was a floor-raiser, he really deserves more respect...

He's easily Top 20 and some have him Top 15. He deserves his flowers...

 

[mitter]

1. He was not a good defender

2. He hung around for a long time, but as a dominant, MVP-level player, he really only had 5-6 years. The 76ers flopped in the playoffs in 1984 and 1985 (when he was 29 and 30 and their best player).

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

He was a 1970s player and he hung around a little too long. Plus he played in the ABA.

the NBA and its media dont treat the ABA kindly historically, outside of Dr. J and even he is underrated. And then the 1970s was basically the dark ages of pro basketball.

You can make a case for him being as good as a SHaq, Hakeem, etc but those other factors weigh against him.

It’s one aspect of basketball I find so unfortunate. It would be cool if the NBA played up that era the same way the NFL does. It’s even more tragic that the much older footage is lost forever or non-existent.

 

[Shadow King]

He gets his respect, just not the respect you want him to get. But we've argued about this already.

 

[Jplaya2023]

how does moses have an argument over those 5 cats? hed probably be a top 6 all time center on most peoples lists. how is that not getting any respect? just because people dont think hes better than the 5 all timers you listed doesnt mean people dont respect his game. why cant someone just be better than someone, without someone saying youre disrespecting or shytting on the guy?

Moses name is rarely mentioned but people forget he carried an 8th seed to the finals, led argubly the greatest playoff run ever and had to spend a few years in the ABA before he went to the league. He is a top 12 player ever and is rarely mentioned

 

[murksiderock]

1. He was not a good defender

2. He hung around for a long time, but as a dominant, MVP-level player, he really only had 5-6 years. The 76ers flopped in the playoffs in 1984 and 1985 (when he was 29 and 30 and their best player).

I didn't see him play, did you? So I respect your take but Here's my issue with this:

1. Among guys routinely considered Top 20, the following also are or were known as average or less defenders at peak: Dirk, Steph, Erving, Durant, Robertson, Shaq, Bird, Magic...

Why would this be something you hold exclusively against Moses?

2. That Sixers team never wins a championship if Moses goes elsewhere when he dumped Houston. Erving was not the guy to get them over the crest, evidenced by his own playoff flops prior to Moses...

There's alot of guys on that GOAT 20 list that had multiple playoff flops, why focus that distinction on the one guy we NEVER discuss?

 

[mastermind]

It’s one aspect of basketball I find so unfortunate. It would be cool if the NBA played up that era the same way the NFL does. It’s even more tragic that the much older footage is lost forever or non-existent.

I was just thinking about how Elvin Hayes had one of the weirdest games ever and probably retired as a top three power forward.

Outside of old Bullets fans and His family, no one talks about Elvin Hayes.

 

[mastermind]

1. He was not a good defender

2. He hung around for a long time, but as a dominant, MVP-level player, he really only had 5-6 years. The 76ers flopped in the playoffs in 1984 and 1985 (when he was 29 and 30 and their best player).

this is another big reason. He fell off hard after the title and then got traded.

 

[mitter]

I didn't see him play, did you? So I respect your take but Here's my issue with this:

1. Among guys routinely considered Top 20, the following also are or were known as average or less defenders at peak: Dirk, Steph, Erving, Durant, Robertson, Shaq, Bird, Magic...

Why would this be something you hold exclusively against Moses?

2. That Sixers team never wins a championship if Moses goes elsewhere when he dumped Houston. Erving was not the guy to get them over the crest, evidenced by his own playoff flops prior to Moses...

There's alot of guys on that GOAT 20 list that had multiple playoff flops, why focus that distinction on the one guy we NEVER discuss?

1. I think Dr. J was an above average defender. He was all-defense in the ABA, probably the best shot blocking “wing” ever. He got labeled as a “gambler” early on in the NBA and an unfair narrative formed that he was fundamentally unsound defensively. It had a lot to do with the “black basketball vs. white basketball” narrative at the time among sports writers and was totally unfair imo. Doc symbolizes “black basketball” and had to be taken down a peg in the views of the media.

Anyway, when comparing Moses against other elite centers, he is basically the only one who wasn’t a dominant defensive player. Big men are especially valuable for shutting down the paint on defense, and Moses was nowhere close to his competition in that respect.

2. That Philly team was indeed not going to win from 1983 on without Moses (they could have won in 1981 with a bounce or two going their way). But for a team that dominated in 1983 to flop the next two years, it’s a bad look for Moses. Thet had one of the best young backcourts, a still good Dr. J and Bobby Jones and a young Barkley (in 85). Moses was not old at that point. He was 29-30. Philly falling apart so quickly illustrates how Moses had a relatively brief prime.

 

[mastermind]

Why would this be something you hold exclusively against Moses?

Because he was a center