Why The Beef With 360 Deals?
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I agree free mixtapes fukked the game up but I wouldn't blame 50 for starting that trend
He is the one who started the trend of dropping mixtapes to get a buzz but back in those days mixtapes weren't free
Mixtapes weren't free until 2006 or so, prior to that them shyts cost money
It's not a coincidence that was also the year sales began to plummet
I'd blame the following ass nikkaz and record labels who wanted to duplicate 50's success so desperately they started releasing free music
He is the one who started the trend of dropping mixtapes to get a buzz but back in those days mixtapes weren't free
Mixtapes weren't free until 2006 or so, prior to that them shyts cost money
It's not a coincidence that was also the year sales began to plummet
I'd blame the following ass nikkaz and record labels who wanted to duplicate 50's success so desperately they started releasing free music
I have to concede and agree. That fact crossed my mind after I replied but was too lazy and irresponsible to correct it.
Yeah, they did a "tragedy of the commons" to the hip-hop with this mixtape mess. An example is Meek Mill, half his album was Dreamchasers 3.
I bet he wish he'd kept those records off the books now. A detrimental part of hip-hop/rap is solidarity for the art form so a mofo can be like "hey" let's collective stop dropping mixtapes especially major label artists because a dude trying to come up is competing with that name recognition and cannot even price compete since it is all free.Another example that pisses me off is Fabolous, one of my favorites, mixtapes have been better than his commercial releases and are definitely worth money but releasing quality for free and expecting people to buy subpar is counterproductive. That's why I am primarily focusing on other genres. Never heard of a rock, country, pop mixtape.
^^^Blame the fans for that shyt too.
You have these fickle motherfukkers bytching about why Artist X doesn't release more free/mixtape music....then if/when they do...they bytch about why half the album was from the mixtape/free music.
I know there's a balance where an Artist can do both...but in that case, one or the other usually suffers in quality.
I remember when Ye was doing the Good Friday joints...then when he drops Dark Fantasy, you had mad posters on
bytching bout they done heard 25-50% of the album already.
I can see it from their perspective but at the same time, no one forced them to listen to any of those Good Friday joints.
You have these fickle motherfukkers bytching about why Artist X doesn't release more free/mixtape music....then if/when they do...they bytch about why half the album was from the mixtape/free music.
I know there's a balance where an Artist can do both...but in that case, one or the other usually suffers in quality.
I remember when Ye was doing the Good Friday joints...then when he drops Dark Fantasy, you had mad posters on
bytching bout they done heard 25-50% of the album already.I can see it from their perspective but at the same time, no one forced them to listen to any of those Good Friday joints.
I feel you but now we have soundcloud and one post a snippet and disable download. Ultimately, you're right. It is a 2 way street. Hip-hop fans especially. They want something for nothing. That's what rappers with no sense of business self-destruct themselves. Give away so much for free then expect those same people to pay later is a no-no. I get the point of gaining fans but evidently not fans with disposable income. Rick Ross with all the street joints couldn't sell a half of FAMU. Less than a quarter but he gave them so much for free. c00ns and goons will break their neck to see these cats in a strip club but won't pay $50 to see these cats perform their songs live on stage. I wouldn't pay to watch dudes walk around talking on a mic but rap is secondary to me now.^^^Blame the fans for that shyt too.
You have these fickle motherfukkers bytching about why Artist X doesn't release more free/mixtape music....then if/when they do...they bytch about why half the album was from the mixtape/free music.
I know there's a balance where an Artist can do both...but in that case, one or the other usually suffers in quality.
I remember when Ye was doing the Good Friday joints...then when he drops Dark Fantasy, you had mad posters on
I can see it from their perspective but at the same time, no one forced them to listen to any of those Good Friday joints.
When T.I. asked for 75 million, isn't he asking for 75 million as a budget for the Grand Hustle label as a whole?
Teko
All Star
Its clear that most people calling all 360 deals a rip-off have never invested or lost money of their own. How would you feel if you invested into a business and employees subsequently took all the money because they do the work? all you did was spend to provide them with a platform to work! Capital, capital, capital is almost everything. Without it, very little gets done. Some business ventures are risky so naturally you want to tailor your return profile in a way that will compensate you for the big gamble. Artists don't put money upfront so they have a massive option that allows them to make money off someone's willingness to take a risk on their talents.
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From an artist stand point a 360 deal is a rip off.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
don't see a problem with exploition brehs
Teko
All Star
Artists sign these deals for a reason. They have a far better understanding and appreciation of the potential scenarios than we do so the deals are a big win win for them. Again, in any business, if the providers of capital dont get proper compensation, the business is dead.
DaveyDave
Superstar
bullshyt, a lot of artists, i would say most artists have fukk all idea about contracts, points, publishing and all that shyt. half the time the lawyer is buddied up with the label and fukks the artist over anyway.
People do not understand this thing called risk premium.
Teko
All Star
Most artists are adults. Minors require an adult to co sign. Contracts get explained to artists before they sign. Just because things don't turn out the way you hoped doesn't mean that you were ripped off. If you feel like your talents will guarantee slam dunk profits, convince someone else to back you. Its a market, there are tons of labels out there. However, dumb money in an experienced industry that has gone through a lot of cycles is not easy to find.
The problem with 360's is that labels only know how to market and distribute music. TV, merchandise, tours, movies and all other avenues of revenue they don't know what they're doing. I suspect they put in little or no work on that front. They'll just take that money from the artists hard work.
But lets be reality - 96% of rappers who are on 360's wouldn't be earning as much as they do if they weren't signed to a major record label. 100% of 50 is less than 60% of 1,000
But lets be reality - 96% of rappers who are on 360's wouldn't be earning as much as they do if they weren't signed to a major record label. 100% of 50 is less than 60% of 1,000