Why would a loving God send people to hell?

[NoMayo15]

actually like the above poster said. you're losing it right here.

if you're a pedo and i catch you after you've pedo'ed 10 kids. but i've known you from birth. i know what you've been thru. i know you were diddled all throughout your childhood and no one did anything about it even after you told your parent(s). i mean what if it was your step pops, and you told your mother. but she didnt do a darn thing about it. you told other adults in your life and they didnt do a darn thing about it. you had a little sister and she was getting diddled by the same dude and no one would help her.

Why didn't YOU do a darn thing about it? I'm not arguing from the problem of evil, but it is applicable if god could stop pedophilic acts, but doesn't .... just like you in this scenario.

So you turn into a pedo and run the same cycle. how hard can i go on you when i know thats your life story? who was really at fault for you becoming what you've become? YOU or the adults in your life? its about 50/50. or it could be worse. more like 70/30. because serious childhood trauma can make you mentally ill. there's a reason girls that are diddled at a young age a lot of times turn out to be what some would call sluts. or man haters who end up jumping ship to the other side(yes this can happen also).

Again, you are at least somewhat reprehensible if you KNOW of child abuse but do nothing to stop it. Maybe not 100%, but you're still an overall despicable human being. Do you not agree?

so should i punish said person the same way i would punish a person who did the same crime and i know their background was all peaches and creme yet they chose to do these things just cause? is that fair to give the exact same judgement?

Of course not, and that's exactly my point. People argue that god is making a moral decision when he punishes each crime equally with hell. I say that is ridiculous, and each crime should be gauged on their own merit. Now, defend the position that your God has.

reality is the fact that you may be mildly intelligent isnt fair when there is some other guy out there thats not as intelligent as you. no fault of his own. he was born with a certain batch of a dna that says he wont be as intelligent as you. you were born with a good batch of intelligence in your genes. what did you do to deserve your smarts? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. so when you go on to do bigger and better things in life while some other kid goes on to barely scrape by. all based on intelligence. how fair is that?

Well, I wouldn't say I did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be smart. Some people are born with certain advantages, some fair, some not so fair. What does this have to do with equal punishment under a system of law?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This is like saying no one can suggest a hypothetical where one assumes a god exists. A hypothetical situation is one in which the premise is assumed. If YOU are god, and you have full knowledge, would you make all crimes have equal punishment?

When I bring up laws, I'm making an analogy to what your god (according to you) does. Do you not think committing any sin once is punishable by hellfire?

What? No. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Committing any sin once is punishable by hellfire?

I'll say it again, your hypothetical situation fails on many levels. I'm not God nor do I know what it would even feel like to know everything about a person. If I'm now God in your hypothetical it's even more ridiculous than I originally thought.

 

[NoMayo15]

You don't need to know an person's entire life story to gauge whether they're guilty of a crime or not.

So what's so ridiculous about it? In the scenario, one person has committed a sin and repented, the other commits a sin and has not.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You don't need to know an person's entire life story to gauge whether they're guilty of a crime or not.

So what's so ridiculous about it? In the scenario, one person has committed a sin and repented, the other commits a sin and has not.

Why do you keep equating one random sin with a lifetime of sinning? That's what makes your comparison ridiculous.

Let me clarify something for you, sinning once will not land you in hell. Stealing a piece of bubble gum when you're 8 is not the same as raping a different woman every day.

Our goal is to have more good deeds than bad deeds on our record. And if we truly repent for the bad deeds then it is easy for God to forgive us. But only God can judge the sincerity of our repentance. Not me, not you, not some guy sitting on a bench wearing a black robe.

So while a jury can decide whether a person is guilty of a crime or not (to some degree anyway), when it comes to judging an entire life, the entire life must then be brought into account. Therefore knowledge of said entire life is essential. And God knows what you and I know not. You may think a person to be the pinnacle of good and they could be pure evil. You may think a person heartless but they may do the most good.

And he who repents is not like he who doesn't. I'll agree to that. With repentance comes the feeling of guilt. To truly repent you must hate the act you committed. This is why it's not our place to judge because a serial killer may live life care and guilt free while the bubble gum thief may carry a heavy burden. You are not in position to judge fair and unfair without knowing all factors. The one who repents endures hell in this life whie the one who doesn't opts for it in the next. In the end, all will be just and each soul will receive what it's earned. And our own lives and experiences will serve as witnesses for or against us.

 

[NoMayo15]

Let me clarify something for you, sinning once will not land you in hell.

Well that's all you had to say, man. Good day.

 

[acri1]

Why do you keep equating one random sin with a lifetime of sinning? That's what makes your comparison ridiculous.

Let me clarify something for you, sinning once will not land you in hell. Stealing a piece of bubble gum when you're 8 is not the same as raping a different woman every day.

Our goal is to have more good deeds than bad deeds on our record. And if we truly repent for the bad deeds then it is easy for God to forgive us. But only God can judge the sincerity of our repentance. Not me, not you, not some guy sitting on a bench wearing a black robe.

So while a jury can decide whether a person is guilty of a crime or not (to some degree anyway), when it comes to judging an entire life, the entire life must then be brought into account. Therefore knowledge of said entire life is essential. And God knows what you and I know not. You may think a person to be the pinnacle of good and they could be pure evil. You may think a person heartless but they may do the most good.

And he who repents is not like he who doesn't. I'll agree to that. With repentance comes the feeling of guilt. To truly repent you must hate the act you committed. This is why it's not our place to judge because a serial killer may live life care and guilt free while the bubble gum thief may carry a heavy burden. You are not in position to judge fair and unfair without knowing all factors. The one who repents endures hell in this life whie the one who doesn't opts for it in the next. In the end, all will be just and each soul will receive what it's earned. And our own lives and experiences will serve as witnesses for or against us.

So say you have Person A, who was a very kind and caring person throughout his life, and did many good deeds, but had premarital sex and never felt bad about it.

Then you have Person B, who spent most of his life as an unrepentant serial killer, and killed hundreds, but decided to genuinely repent near the end of his life.


In that scenario, would Person A go to hell and Person B go to heaven?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well that's all you had to say, man. Good day.

But where did you even get something like that?

 

[NoMayo15]

But where did you even get something like that?

The fact that there are sins that are unforgivable.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So say you have Person A, who was a very kind and caring person throughout his life, and did many good deeds, but had premarital sex and never felt bad about it.

Then you have Person B, who spent most of his life as an unrepentant serial killer, and killed hundreds, but decided to genuinely repent near the end of his life.


In that scenario, would Person A go to hell and Person B go to heaven?

Your scenarios are just as silly as the person before. Why do nonbelievers tend to be so short sighted?

This person A, the only sin they ever committed was fornication?

I'll say it again: it's for God to judge because He knows the whole story. I do not and I'm not going to pretend like I do. But something tells me that person A's life was more than one sentence long.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The fact that there are sins that are unforgivable.

What sins are these? Where did you learn these teachings?

 

[NoMayo15]

This person A, the only sin they ever committed was fornication?

It's the only sin they did not truly feel sorry for, and didn't repent in their heart of hearts. Why is this so difficult for you to understand. ITS A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Also, Mark 3:28. Denying the holy spirit can never be forgiven.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's the only sin they did not truly feel sorry for, and didn't repent in their heart of hearts. Why is this so difficult for you to understand. ITS A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Also, Mark 3:28. Denying the holy spirit can never be forgiven.

I don't know how many ways I can point out the fallacy in your scenario though. It's about more than one particular deed. What did this person do from birth to death? List every action and the intent behind the action or lack of action. Then list all results of every action or lack thereof. If you can do that, you'd have a valid scenario but my answer would be the same: God knows best. That's not my place to judge so please stop asking me.

And to worship anything but God is the only sin that is unforgivable, yes. That includes worshiping nothing. Remember when I asked you WHO you give thanks to and you instead told me what you were giving thanks for? The truth is you don't know who/what you're giving thanks to. You can be thankful FOR your family but you can't be thankful TO your family FOR your family. You are thankful TO God FOR your family. But at least you know there's something out there deserving thanks. That's a start.

 

[Self_Born7]

what if a child dies at a very young age, with out getting saved, or accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior... what happens to that child?

what if there is a primitive tribe, who have no concept of God

If Jesus died on the cross and spent three days in hell to pay for the sins of the world, then why would we have to go to hell ourselves and pay for them again? God is then, in essence, being paid for our sins twice. With that said, was Jesus' sacrifice not worthy enough? If that is the case, why should we care that he died for our sins if his sacrifice means nothing at all?

This is not a bash to religion by the way..

 

[egobiggs]

what if a child dies at a very young age, with out getting saved, or accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior... what happens to that child?

what if there is a primitive tribe, who have no concept of God

If Jesus died on the cross and spent three days in hell to pay for the sins of the world, then why would we have to go to hell ourselves and pay for them again? God is then, in essence, being paid for our sins twice. With that said, was Jesus' sacrifice not worthy enough? If that is the case, why should we care that he died for our sins if his sacrifice means nothing at all?

This is not a bash to religion by the way..

@Jesus Shuttlesworth

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

@Jesus Shuttlesworth

Why you tagging me? I don't believe anything in that post.