Will the warriors trade klay or draymond ?

[FTBS]

You need to be careful with such a reduction of analysis because it's more talking point than informative. Their problems, with the current core, stem from their inability to stop athletic wing players, and their inability to get rebounds. In 2014, their problem was really Klay playing like absolute trash the entire playoffs, not just the finals. Klay was bad the entire second half of 2014. There's a reason that the warriors struggle with teams like the Jazz, Raptors, Timberwolves. Those teams, esp the last two, do not grind out games. Warriors have been my team for 17 years now and I got to watch probably 70 percent of their games in 2014 and 2015. I was pointing out their deficiencies and weaknesses even during the regular season. The "style" analysis just doesn't work because Curry broke any type of game plan no matter the pacing.

Please let me know what was inaccurate about what I said and why. Thanks.

 

[ThaRealness]

KD, Curry, Dray and Klay are their core, they will put young players and minimum salary vets around them rather than break it up. Sacrifice depth for top end talent.

If they lose the championship, one of them gets traded

 

[Goatpoacher]

Please let me know what was inaccurate about what I said and why. Thanks.

You fixated on the style, when that was a function of the warriors inability to defend Lebron/Kyrie, not the cause. Warriors can have trouble with a fast pace and win at a slow pace, at least last year. Their problem has been athletic slashing type players. Funny thing is, KD has helped with that in some ways because he has been getting blocks in the paint, almost like 2010 Lebron. Pachulia is actually a revelation as well. I have not had as much time to watch them this year, but last year and the year before, they could not stop the drive. This was true in the regular season and the playoffs. Bogut was helpful but was always breaking down by the time the playoffs rolled around.

 

[GPBear]

with the new CBA experts are saying its going to be hard to keep them all together after this year unless igoudala and livingston take pay cuts which i'm sure they will not be willing to do with all the money being thrown around.

so which one do you think they will part with ?

Have you ever heard of Tim Duncan? And the Spurs? And the idea that maybe people are willing to take pay cuts if it earns them a historic dynasty?

 

[FTBS]

You fixated on the style, when that was a function of the warriors inability to defend Lebron/Kyrie, not the cause. Warriors can have trouble with a fast pace and win at a slow pace, at least last year. Their problem has been athletic slashing type players. Funny thing is, KD has helped with that in some ways because he has been getting blocks in the paint, almost like 2010 Lebron. Pachulia is actually a revelation as well. I have not had as much time to watch them this year, but last year and the year before, they could not stop the drive. This was true in the regular season and the playoffs. Bogut was helpful but was always breaking down by the time the playoffs rolled around.

No you are fixated on style. I mentioned style in addition to officiating, fatigue, team constitution, health, and matchups in my original response to you and you glommed onto the style piece.

 

[Mars]

GS turned the 2015 finals around when they went to their bench(Iggy,Lee)

GS had the cavs down 3-1 in the 2016 finals becuase of their depth and bench.

What happens if Durant/Green gets in foul trouble trying to guard Lebron ?

 

[Bay Area]

GS turned the 2015 finals around when they went to their bench(Iggy,Lee)

GS had the cavs down 3-1 in the 2016 finals becuase of their depth and bench.

What happens if Durant/Green gets in foul trouble trying to guard Lebron ?

Thats like saying, what happens if Kawhi and Danny Green get into foul trouble trying to guard Bron. Any team would be screwed.

 

[Goatpoacher]

No you are fixated on style. I mentioned style in addition to officiating, fatigue, team constitution, health, and matchups in my original response to you and you glommed onto the style piece.

Because you conflated size and rebounding with "grind it out" basketball. Warriors struggle with fast paced teams with athleticism as well as slow paced teams. In 2014 and 2015, they had the most problems with younger teams like the ones I previously mentioned.

 

[FTBS]

Because you conflated size and rebounding with "grind it out" basketball. Warriors struggle with fast paced teams with athleticism as well as slow paced teams. In 2014 and 2015, they had the most problems with younger teams like the ones I previously mentioned.

For starters you can't say that I am fixated on something and then turn around and provide reasoning for you own fixation . Secondly those two things go together and I'm not sure why you are so up and arms about it. List all the small grind it out teams that got beat up on the glass. Lastly the only thing relevant to this convo is last year's playoffs and all the things that I listed impacted the Warriors far more last year than going for 73 wins.

 

[Goatpoacher]

For starters you can't say that I am fixated on something and then turn around and provide reasoning for you own fixation . Secondly those two things go together and I'm not sure why you are so up and arms about it. List all the small grind it out teams that got beat up on the glass. Lastly the only thing relevant to this convo is last year's playoffs and all the things that I listed impacted the Warriors far more last year than going for 73 wins.

You specifically linked the warriors lack of size and ability to rebound with the "grind it out" game style. I just pointed out that they had trouble even at a fast paced style when they faced athletic/slashing teams and/or athletic front courts who get offensive rebounds.

And this is an issue I've "fixated on" in 2014 and 2015 because i saw it over and over again, regular season and playoffs.

 

[e001]

They gotta let KD go and keep on doing what they were doing before he got there.

 

[FTBS]

You specifically linked the warriors lack of size and ability to rebound with the "grind it out" game style. I just pointed out that they had trouble even at a fast paced style when they faced athletic/slashing teams and/or athletic front courts who get offensive rebounds.

And this is an issue I've "fixated on" in 2014 and 2015 because i saw it over and over again, regular season and playoffs.

No I said that style (among many other things) contributed to them losing last year more so than them pushing themselves to get 73. Then you said it wasn't about that style it was about size and rebounding and I pointed to the fact that size and rebounding are key elements of the grind it out style so it was really a matter of semantics. Not sure what the issue is. The Warriors have been challenged (2 Ls or more) or lost 4 playoff series in the last 2 seasons. Three of those series, including the L, were played at a notable slower pace than they prefer. If you don't see a correlation there I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Goatpoacher]

No I said that style (among many other things) contributed to them losing last year more so than them pushing themselves to get 73. Then you said it wasn't about that style it was about size and rebounding and I pointed to the fact that size and rebounding are key elements of the grind it out style so it was really a matter of semantics. Not sure what the issue is. The Warriors have been challenged (2 Ls or more) or lost 4 playoff series in the last 2 seasons. Three of those series, including the L, were played at a notable slower pace than they prefer. If you don't see a correlation there I don't know what to tell you.

I'm talking causation not correlation, though.

 

[FTBS]

I'm talking causation not correlation, though.

A variety of factors were at play I just don't think that winning 73 was one of them.

 

[MJ Truth]

I thought CV says benches are less important in the playoffs? GS biggest problem last year was that the starters fixated too much on the regular season. There's a reason why most championship teams coast in the regular season.

Their biggest problem is they try talked shyt about the King and he put them back in their place. It's not all about the Warriors, other teams are out here playing too