With 15 years of perspective can we all now agree Bill Clinton was a shytty President?

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Broke Wave said:
But Reagan top 5 and FDR overrated?

What metric are you using to evaluate this?
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metric?

It's all opinion breh. Overrated is a relative term as it is. Just bc someone was overrated doesn't mean they were bad. People hold FDR way too highly and I think Reagan about right. For the record, Reagan is usually ranked around the 15th best president (Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which I think is about right. But his range is anywhere from 6th to 26th. Some of you all are so obsessed with neo-cons opinions you actually believe the mass population believes he's the greatest ever. FDR on the other hand is ranked top 3 in every single poll at the link. That's way overrated.

As far as Nixon goes, he was immensely popular until Watergate and for good reason. He ended the Vietnam War and re established relations with China. Can you think of another President that closely parallels that that has a sizable fanbase on this forum? I can...
 
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Truth200 said:
No mention of him not stopping the Rwandan Genocide in 1994?
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Be illiterate, brehs.
 
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Scoop said:
metric?

It's all opinion breh. Overrated is a relative term as it is. Just bc someone was overrated doesn't mean they were bad. People hold FDR way too highly and I think Reagan about right. For the record, Reagan is usually ranked around the 15th best president (Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which I think is about right. But his range is anywhere from 6th to 26th. Some of you all are so obsessed with neo-cons opinions you actually believe the mass population believes he's the greatest ever. FDR on the other hand is ranked top 3 in every single poll at the link. That's way overrated.

As far as Nixon goes, he was immensely popular until Watergate and for good reason. He ended the Vietnam War and re established relations with China. Can you think of another President that closely parallels that that has a sizable fanbase on this forum? I can...
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By all means, elaborate on why Ronald Reagan is worthy of his popularity and is the 15th greatest president of all time :pachaha:

We're really deep in the liberal hivemind and could use your guidance.
 
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Scoop said:
metric?

It's all opinion breh. Overrated is a relative term as it is. Just bc someone was overrated doesn't mean they were bad. People hold FDR way too highly and I think Reagan about right. For the record, Reagan is usually ranked around the 15th best president (Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which I think is about right. But his range is anywhere from 6th to 26th. Some of you all are so obsessed with neo-cons opinions you actually believe the mass population believes he's the greatest ever. FDR on the other hand is ranked top 3 in every single poll at the link. That's way overrated.

As far as Nixon goes, he was immensely popular until Watergate and for good reason. He ended the Vietnam War and re established relations with China. Can you think of another President that closely parallels that that has a sizable fanbase on this forum? I can...
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You didn't really answer his question though.

Also Reagan is consistently ranked top 5, often number 1 even in popular opinion surveys. The range you cited weighted historians and academics.

Here's gallup poll from a few years ago where he ranked #1. Americans Say Reagan Is the Greatest U.S. President

So yes, he is overrated...ridiculously.
 
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Scoop said:
Clinton has gotten worse with time due to DOMA and the tougher on crime bill, but I'd still say is average.

Bush has gotten better mainly due to Medicare part D and the fact we eventually caught Bin Laden but still sucks.



Nah Reagan is top 5 and not overrated, neither is JFK.

Most overrated is FDR by a long shot.
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(you guys are going to love this :heh:) Glass-Steagall is a nearly 100 year old law that has little application today.

prop trading has effectively been banned via Dodd-Frank (or more specifically the Volcker Rule which is being implemented).
 
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I always tell people Clinton benefited from the Dot Com Bubble. In fact we see all the failures of the Clinton Administration manifest themselves during Bush time in the dot come bubble burst and the housing market crash. It easy to look good, when you're propped up on a steroided economy.
 
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Mephistopheles said:
You didn't really answer his question though.

Also Reagan is consistently ranked top 5, often number 1 even in popular opinion surveys. The range you cited weighted historians and academics.

Here's gallup poll from a few years ago where he ranked #1. Americans Say Reagan Is the Greatest U.S. President

So yes, he is overrated...ridiculously.
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Which question?

You can't cite polls like that because 19% may say he's the greatest ever and the other 81% may say he's the worst. You can't be crowned the greatest in 44 way match-up with 19% of the vote.

And like I said, you can't only focus on am minority's extremely high opinion and say he's overrated overall because of it. If you said he's overrated among his core worshipers I would actually 100% agree with you, but the country as a whole has a much lesser opinion of him. But not that low (ABC poll in 2001 said he had 64% retrospective approval).
 
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Scoop said:
Which question?

You can't cite polls like that because 19% may say he's the greatest ever and the other 81% may say he's the worst. You can't be crowned the greatest in 44 way match-up with 19% of the vote.

And like I said, you can't only focus on am minority's extremely high opinion and say he's overrated overall because of it. If you said he's overrated among his core worshipers I would actually 100% agree with you, but the country as a whole has a much lesser opinion of him. But not that low (ABC poll in 2001 said he had 64% retrospective approval).
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Stop it slime.

Reagan is *the* American conservative post-war idol. Period.
 
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