With 15 years of perspective can we all now agree Bill Clinton was a shytty President?

[Poitier]

Obama has been A1 on foreign policy sans Syria IMO

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

@Mephistopheles blaming Clinton for the dot-com bubble

I didn't blame him for it. I said that and Greenspan's monetary policy is why you had inflated growth under his presidency, not because of any policy initiative he took. I know you have 3 Ph.D's and all, but please learn how to read.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

Little application if it was reinstated? You can't be serious..

I'm talking in terms of causing 2008, Glass Steagall would not have applied to your Goldmans, Bear Sterns, AIGs, Lehmans, Merrill Lynch etc.. On top of that it didn't apply to MBS.

Glass Steagall would have done nothing to prevent 2008 (something even Elizabeth Warren has stated) and it was an outdated law when Clinton repealed it. The government and banks were practically ignoring it by the time Clinton repealed it (look at the Citi and Travelers Group merger).

The Volcker Rule takes care of what you think Glass Steagall was meant to accomplish in an updated fashion.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Which question?

You can't cite polls like that because 19% may say he's the greatest ever and the other 81% may say he's the worst. You can't be crowned the greatest in 44 way match-up with 19% of the vote.

And like I said, you can't only focus on am minority's extremely high opinion and say he's overrated overall because of it. If you said he's overrated among his core worshipers I would actually 100% agree with you, but the country as a whole has a much lesser opinion of him. But not that low (ABC poll in 2001 said he had 64% retrospective approval).

Well if you're going to say a highly popular President isn't overrated, one would think you would tout what he did in his presidency, not just try to downplay his immense popularity.

And as far as trying to downplay it, stop. He's considered a god among the Republicans and many Democrats and independents like him and voted for him.

What do you mean I can't cite polls like that? He's considered the best President ever by the most number of people in the poll. That's saying something. The other 81% don't all dislike him and you know it.

That 2001 poll that showed him with 64% you cited confirmed his popularity because 51% means you're doing pretty good in this cynical polarized climate.

He won in 84 with the largest electoral victory ever. He won 49 states. That will never be done again. The term "Reagan Democrat" is still part of our political dialogue today.

You'll get nowhere with this angle because his popularity is undeniable. Maybe should tell us why he deserves it since he's top 5 and not overrated according to you.

 

[Serious]

Extra rendition? Drone bombings? Mass surveillance? Nah.

Hate when people bring this up; half the shyt people criticize him over, has been going on long before he set foot in office.

 

[Born2BKing]

Clinton has gotten worse with time due to DOMA and the tougher on crime bill, but I'd still say is average.

Bush has gotten better mainly due to Medicare part D and the fact we eventually caught Bin Laden but still sucks.



Nah Reagan is top 5 and not overrated, neither is JFK.

Most overrated is FDR by a long shot.

We eventually caught Bin Laden? The fukk that have to do with Bush?

 

[Insensitive]

I like threads like these because I feel like actual knowledge
is being dropped.
Perfect example of #HigherLearning. @ the posters in here.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

I'm talking in terms of causing 2008, Glass Steagall would not have applied to your Goldmans, Bear Sterns, AIGs, Lehmans, Merrill Lynch etc.. On top of that it didn't apply to MBS.

Glass Steagall would have done nothing to prevent 2008 (something even Elizabeth Warren has stated) and it was an outdated law when Clinton repealed it. The government and banks were practically ignoring it by the time Clinton repealed it (look at the Citi and Travelers Group merger).

The Volcker Rule takes care of what you think Glass Steagall was meant to accomplish in an updated fashion.

I see what you're saying but there's a lot of policies that are undermined so I wouldn't say "it didn't apply".

There's a lot of factors to 2008 and removing Glass-Steagal didn't help. Every merger consolidates market share and power which doesn't benefit any economy so keeping it wouldn't hurt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Obama gets my respect based on how he handles hecklers:

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Upping just because.

 

[Scoop]

Straight

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Hate when people bring this up; half the shyt people criticize him over, has been going on long before he set foot in office.

Doesnt mean he couldnt stop it