Word....the nerds are invading the NBA
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Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
I can't speak for everyone but for me, I can appreciate information. Relevant inside the regular numbers information but you got some of these guys who just go information overload to the point where you just say "Really? You just gave me a stat that measures effort?" It's like an espn made up stat come to life. It's just overkill with some of this stuff that's clearly apparent to anyone who pays attention to the respective sport
It's basically checking the validity of common beliefs.
For DECADES in baseball, people believed that sacrifice bunting was a smart play. It wasn't until stat geeks decided to look at it closer that they realized the out was more valuable than the base.
Or it's trying to quantify how valuable particular plays or players are. Like, anyone who watches the game can tell you that Larry Sanders is a better defender than David Lee. The question is, how much better? It takes a much more detailed, analytical look at the game to understand that.
Too much athleticism involved with this sport for it to matter that much. Does it have its place in basketball? Yes. Will it decide the outcome of games? No.
You can't stack a team full "solid" players and expect to win a championship. That's not how this sport works. The best team with the best players usually win. It's been this way for 68 yrs. it ain't changing now.
You can't stack a team full "solid" players and expect to win a championship. That's not how this sport works. The best team with the best players usually win. It's been this way for 68 yrs. it ain't changing now.
Barry Sanders
Barry>>>
the reason "moneyball" works in baseball is the salary cap is 178 million this year only a few gonna go near that
so the teams that dont spend might have a decent team and have been drafting well and will call up players that will produce players trying to keep a spot on the roster
also the small market teams have great prospects in the minors that they will trade for a player if the team is in the playoff hunt
teams like the marlins a's twins and the expos before they were yanked to dc stock pile draft picks so they can do alot with them picks mostly trade them
also baseball 162 games teams catch winning streaks
but look at that lat 10 w.s winners the marlins were the only "moneyball winner
so the teams that dont spend might have a decent team and have been drafting well and will call up players that will produce players trying to keep a spot on the roster
also the small market teams have great prospects in the minors that they will trade for a player if the team is in the playoff hunt
teams like the marlins a's twins and the expos before they were yanked to dc stock pile draft picks so they can do alot with them picks mostly trade them
also baseball 162 games teams catch winning streaks
but look at that lat 10 w.s winners the marlins were the only "moneyball winner
Kobes Two Jerseys
8 or 24 best player of the era
You have seen Moneyball, right?
Or understand the premise of smallball and how it transformed baseball into a much deeper game than it was a decade ago?
A similar breakout, or currently understated aspect in the NBA, will come because of using analytics.
this is good for the league.
How many championships do the A's have since they started their money ball approach?
River_trey
Pro
I dont have a problem with more information and i do like to look into stats myself. Theres just certain things that cant or shouldnt be measured. Im all for stats but dont get so deep in that shyt its gonna sway from all common sense thats seen on the court.
Exactly
If stats are telling a different story than "common sense" is telling....you should probably rethink that common sense.
@ there are certain things that shouldn't be measured. I don't even know what that means 
You're not understanding what we're saying.
- Analytics or sabermetrics doesn't make a team of ordinary players great. It's not gonna tell you that Chandler Parsons is better than Carmelo Anthony.
- They're not a substitute for scouting players "the traditional way". John Hollinger's not looking at his advanced stats and trading Rudy Gay based solely off that.
- Advanced stats will not neutralize athleticism. Black athletes will still dominate basketball.
- What they do is validate or refute what you see, just like how science experiments validate or refute. Lebron James is the best player in the game, and advanced stats would tell you this has been the case for almost 5 years now. Monta Ellis might average 22 PPG, but advanced stats would tell you he's inefficient as fukk and should probably be coming off the bench on a contending team.
Over the last 20 years they've been to the playoffs twice as often as the Mets while spending a fraction of what the Mets do in payroll.
But lets ignore that because they're not the one team out of 30 that wins the title.
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
As sarcastic as you may be - you'd be surprised at how something along those lines could hold significant weight.
For example: A person may find that an older team like the Celtics, have a poor rate at guarding the 3-ball (and have a great % at guarding the rim) in the second halfs of back to back games. Now it could be all coincidence (could be just good 3-pt shooting teams getting hot) and they may go digging deeper and find that even poor 3pt shooting teams exceed their makes and percentages against the Celtics in the above situation.
That shyt could mean the difference between a win and a loss for a team playing the Celtics. Of course that doesn't mean you're gonna be successful with that strategy (you have to judge how the game is going), but information that you can use to your advantage, that you previously didn't know about is only adding another string to your bow.
Kobes Two Jerseys
8 or 24 best player of the era
Over the last 20 years they've been to the playoffs twice as often as the Mets while spending a fraction of what the Mets do in payroll.
But lets ignore that because they're not the one team out of 30 that wins the title.
The goal of the As is to win a title. How many do they have in that time span?