Word....the nerds are invading the NBA

[tremonthustler1]

Where basketball "advanced stats" play a major role will be in how your round out your superstar. That's the key. The ones who don't follow it may be the teams that grossly overpay for inefficient players. The ones that do are the ones that look for a bargain in a league where it's hard to get them.

The advanced stats stuff already takes precedence in the draft. The eye test matters a lot, but if you can find cheap production that becomes serviceable, then you're in business. That's how the Spurs have been able to plug in guys to their system with very little effort. A guy like Kawhi Leonard grades out so well with advanced stats. A guy like say Austin Rivers, fails miserably.

It's not fool proof though, like anything.

 

[phillycavsfan]

not saying it won't be used just that it won't make a difference

it won't change the game

teams with the best players (as judged using traditional standards) will still win titles

But analytics isn't looking to change that. It never has. It's simply a tool used to help scouts better evaluate players.

 

[Houston911]

I hate stat geeks

Lock them in a building with no food or water and make them listen to wale

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Where basketball "advanced stats" play a major role will be in how your round out your superstar. That's the key. The ones who don't follow it may be the teams that grossly overpay for inefficient players. The ones that do are the ones that look for a bargain in a league where it's hard to get them.

The advanced stats stuff already takes precedence in the draft. The eye test matters a lot, but if you can find cheap production that becomes serviceable, then you're in business. That's how the Spurs have been able to plug in guys to their system with very little effort. A guy like Kawhi Leonard grades out so well with advanced stats. A guy like say Austin Rivers, fails miserably.

It's not fool proof though, like anything.

Daps.... Said it better than I did. But do you really trust these GMs and owners to be self restraining enough to make smart deals. Look at Joe Johnson...hell the Warriors gave Kwame Brown 7 mil then traded him. Sixers showed how dumb they were and gave him 6 mil a yr.

 

[Serious]

@Black Jesus @AquaCityBoy

 

[yseJ]

What I'm saying is if all you're trying to do is get the best player you can for the cheap, you're no better than Loria who fire sales all the time.

its a model that lets a shytty team compete. whats your suggestion ? what are we comparing it to ? what the fukk are alternatives ? are you saying doing nothing and tanking every season is better somehow ?

moneyball is made out to be a nerd model, but its actually a value-based model based on cost/effectiveness ratio.

youre acting like there is any other model that will let the warriors make playoffs more than once every 10 years

fact is moneyball is employed by franchises that are cash-strapped.

I can almost say tons of football teams play moneyball model, due to the cap issues.

again, its simply a value-based model that states giving an underrated player less money than to an overrated player, you are able to sustain wins while paying less money. thats it at its core. how we are determining who is underrated or overrated is another story

 

[yoyoyo1]

You can't say basketball isn't susceptible to this. Just the nature of the game (starting at set positions and running plays) lends itself to statistics and analysis.

Of course the superstars aren't a part of this, but not every team has stars.

 

[phillycavsfan]

What I'm saying is if all you're trying to do is get the best player you can for the cheap, you're no better than Loria who fire sales all the time. You will never win with this model. They try to say Theo did this somewhat in Boston but that teams payroll averages $130 mil and was constantly in the top 5 of opening day payrolls when he took over. Bad example. And what's the point of playing if the goal is to "maybe" make the playoffs?

Theo was spending big money on guys like Manny, but he was also getting "Moneyball" players like Youkilis and following Moneyball ideas like not spending serious money for the closer.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No. For example I already know Kobe takes more shots when his team is down. I don't need you writing a research paper on that. If you told me the opposite that Kobe takes less shots when his team is down in a close game then I would find that research valuable.

The problem with what you previously said, is that - just because you know something about x-player, doesn't make it less valuable if another person doesn't know that bout x-player. Just as the vice-versa may occur - if you don't know something about y-player, it doesn't make it more valuable if another person knows that about y-player. You can't just say it's wasting time and resources, simply on the basis because YOU already know it.

Besides that - I'm sure these 'stat geeks' analysis' go well beyond something as rudimentary as Kobe's shot takes.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Daps.... Said it better than I did. But do you really trust these GMs and owners to be self restraining enough to make smart deals. Look at Joe Johnson...hell the Warriors gave Kwame Brown 7 mil then traded him. Sixers showed how dumb they were and gave him 6 mil a yr.

Joe once upon a time used to grade out well. Now he's just average in terms of his overall production.

As for Kwame, Kwame's biggest problem now is that he can't stay healthy. He gets overpaid plenty, but his actual production has some merit to it now. That's why he continues to get employment. He has a niche that when healthy, allows him to not be a liability.

 

[HHR]

Stop saying small ball you dipshyts. That's not what it is.....AT ALL. If anything, what the A's did is exactly the opposite of small ball.

And this thread sucks.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

What nba teams are cash strapped? Players salaries have decreased by 11-12% and the league profits have increased a 110% while 21 teams are reporting they've made a profit. Who's hurting for money besides the bottom feeders? I can see where the analytics could come in there but lets just be real, a lot of these owners are either reckless with their cash (see Nets), stupid (see Nets) or both

 

[kash10003]

do these stat analysts hold PhDs?

 

[River_trey]

*sigh* this shyt again. im tired of seeing these nerds number crunch sports.

They just paraded one of these guys on ESPN a few months ago saying that patriots vs. broncos was going to be the defacto Superbowl and that ravens and 49s had no chance.

 

[HHR]

*sigh* this shyt again. im tired of seeing these nerds number crunch sports.

They just paraded one of these guys on ESPN a few months ago saying that patriots vs. broncos was going to be the defacto Superbowl and that ravens and 49s had no chance.

There's no way that's what he said.

And there were a lot more than "stat nerds" who would have told you essentially the same thing.

You're tired of "nerds", but I'm tired of former players who get on TV and spout cliched, illogical nonsense.

I'll never understand why people are so afraid of information. MORE INFORMATION is not a bad thing.