Would biggie be a icon if he didn't get killed

[ThirdAct]

that verse on victory though he def wasnt losing it on the mic

shyt, he might have had a nas-like trajectory

-ready to die/illmatic - the grimy debuts
-LAD/IWW - well received, but people werent feeling the polished feel and the direction like you said
-born again?/nas next two albums - dropped some bullshyt that nobody liked then after that, maybe he says fukk puff and goes his own way
-stillmatic/gods son / whatever the big equaivalents would have been

Some serious revisionist history going on with I Am... here. Nas Is Like and Hate Me Now were two of Nas biggest singles, got constant play on MTV and the radio. Album is a solid 4 mics, not as consistent as Illmatic or IWW obviously, but still dope. He left off a lot of great tracks that could have made it a 5 mic, some which ended up on Lost Tapes, but there's only two or three weak songs that hold it back. I Am... > Vol. 2 and Vol. 3. Nastradamus was the fall off album (but even that has a couple joints that go hard) and then Stillmatic was the comeback. In all honestly, I Am... and Stillmatic are about the same quality wise. Both solid 4 mic albums. And remember, when IWW dropped, the so-called "real heads" were saying Nas sold out cuz they wanted another Illmatic. It's only with time passed that IWW is now more highly regarded.

You're right that Big would have became increasingly commercial, but not just like Nas. He def woulda been on a similar career trajectory to Jay. Big woulda been rhyming over keyboard Swizz beats and all that. Honestly, who knows what would have happened? The battle might have been Nas vs Big instead of Nas vs Jay. Jay might not have blown up as big as he did if Big was still around. Jay mighta played the Memphis Bleek role to Big if Big had lived.

As far as Big's legacy goes, he'd be a legend off RTD alone IMO. Even if that was his only album, he'd have his place in hip hop.

 

[the cac mamba]

Some serious revisionist history going on with I Am... here. Nas Is Like and Hate Me Now were two of Nas biggest singles, got constant play on MTV and the radio. Album is a solid 4 mics, not as consistent as Illmatic or IWW obviously, but still dope. He left off a lot of great tracks that could have made it a 5 mic, some which ended up on Lost Tapes, but there's only two or three weak songs that hold it back. I Am... > Vol. 2 and Vol. 3. Nastradamus was the fall off album (but even that has a couple joints that go hard) and then Stillmatic was the comeback. In all honestly, I Am... and Stillmatic are about the same quality wise. Both solid 4 mic albums. And remember, when IWW dropped, the so-called "real heads" were saying Nas sold out cuz they wanted another Illmatic. It's only with time passed that IWW is now more highly regarded.

You're right that Big would have became increasingly commercial, but not just like Nas. He def woulda been on a similar career trajectory to Jay. Big woulda been rhyming over keyboard Swizz beats and all that. Honestly, who knows what would have happened? The battle might have been Nas vs Big instead of Nas vs Jay. Jay might not have blown up as big as he did if Big was still around. Jay mighta played the Memphis Bleek role to Big if Big had lived.

As far as Big's legacy goes, he'd be a legend off RTD alone IMO. Even if that was his only album, he'd have his place in hip hop.

yea i more meant nastradamus. half of I Am is absolute fire, half of it is absolute garbage. shyt if you took the best of I Am and the best of Nastradamus youd have a classic album

 

[ExodusNirvana]

A lot of posters exposing their age in here...BIG was already an icon when he was alive, as was Pac

 

[GPBear]

@ Dudes acting like one of the GOATs would’ve gone down in history like Chubb Rock if he didn’t get shot

 

[Van Cleef]

Big was popular af when he was alive.

 

[ThirdAct]

Seriously...MTV, BET and radio stations basically played Juicy, One More Chance Remix and Big Poppa on never ending loops. Big was everywhere in 95.

 

[Evil Grandson]

A nikka with 2 landmark albums in any genre somehow would not be a legend. What is this shyt?

 

[jerzboy]

Big understood and was taught the basics of popular music songwriting.

Coming up in Fort Greene, which was a large jazz community, he was mentored by the saxophonist Donald Harrison

What separates Nas and Big from most rappers (not emcees) that came after them is their musicality. Nas'
father is a well-respected jazz trumpeter.

Musicality has been missing from rappers for the past two decades.



He learned diction and phrasing from jazz saxophonist Donald Harrison, when Biggie was just a teenager in Brooklyn and still went by the name Chris Wallace.

"The first time I spoke with Chris, the Notorious B.I.G., he was on the stoop," Harrison says. "I was passing by and he just said 'Hello.' We started talking and it grew into a friendship. He was a lot younger, but he wanted to learn about music. And that was magic words to my ears."

Harrison wanted to make his neighbor a jazz musician. He gave him homework, made him learn how to scat a Cannonball Adderley solo and listen to Charlie Parker and Ella Fitzgerald. "We worked on various tonguing and speed and agility," Harrison says. "You have to slow things down really slow and take the time to phrase each note."

This is incredible and makes perfect sense. I was wondering why Biggie was legitimately so good at songwriting. As a songwriter he's miles above most of his peers IMO. I didn't really get it until I got older and sat and really listened to his craft. Like he checks every mark when it comes to being a complete songwriter. Dude was too good. Like I could see him writing for Madonna, RIhanna, Beyonce, N Sync if he chose not to rap.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

And you know this for a fact how???

i don't, but one thing we all know for a fact is that no artist either Puff or Suge began with stayed with them.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Big understood and was taught the basics of popular music songwriting.

Coming up in Fort Greene, which was a large jazz community, he was mentored by the saxophonist Donald Harrison

What separates Nas and Big from most rappers (not emcees) that came after them is their musicality. Nas'
father is a well-respected jazz trumpeter.

Musicality has been missing from rappers for the past two decades.



He learned diction and phrasing from jazz saxophonist Donald Harrison, when Biggie was just a teenager in Brooklyn and still went by the name Chris Wallace.

"The first time I spoke with Chris, the Notorious B.I.G., he was on the stoop," Harrison says. "I was passing by and he just said 'Hello.' We started talking and it grew into a friendship. He was a lot younger, but he wanted to learn about music. And that was magic words to my ears."

Harrison wanted to make his neighbor a jazz musician. He gave him homework, made him learn how to scat a Cannonball Adderley solo and listen to Charlie Parker and Ella Fitzgerald. "We worked on various tonguing and speed and agility," Harrison says. "You have to slow things down really slow and take the time to phrase each note."

and that goes back to what I've been saying for years. I even posted up here. You can't make great music if you don't know great music. If your introduction to music(and not just hip hop) was Lil Wayne, Lil Jon, or Jay Z during his Swizz/Neptunes phase, how the hell u gonna make great music if you've never known it?

 

[jerzboy]

and that goes back to what I've been saying for years. I even posted up here. You can't make great music if you don't know great music. If your introduction to music(and not just hip hop) was Lil Wayne, Lil Jon, or Jay Z during his Swizz/Neptunes phase, how the hell u gonna make great music if you've never known it?

Neptunes get a pass.... those chord arrangements and Pharrell’s songwriting is A+. Jay is pretty tuned in when he wants to be. Decoded was great at really seeing Jay as a songwriter. Mos Def is really gifted too. But yeah. I get ur point. As dope as Wayne is, he wasn’t a great songwriter. Loved his bars though

 

[kingofnyc]

You up here defending DIDDY?!?

A man who exploited BIGGIEs wife?!!




And where did you learn Economics from JOB CORP?!!

points on mechanical royalties dont mean shyt if you dont have leverage as far as Recouping!

BIG was in debt.....

As well as all the bad boy artists

Thats been confirmed by thise within the bad boy camp such as GENE DEAL...MARC CURRY and MEECH to name a few...

Hell 112 tried to run away and rather do a deal with LYOR than deal with that devil Diddy...

P. Diddy On 112 Dispute: 'We'll Cradle Them, Get Their Minds Right'

1. the faith touring for free shyt was a clever move on puff part - he only did that shyt cause biggie & faith was going thru problems and that move was to show biggie who puff was gonna side with when the shyt eventually was gonna hit the fan

2. your absolutely right, i don’t have an degree in economics, i assume you do cause you always inna nikka pocket

3. again, i dunno what the major difference between point system & recouping... but what i do know is that if snoop, rea & biggie we’re getting 18/19 points while the average artist was getting 14 - 16 pts , i just can’t understand how it’s a bad deal especially if one is selling millions of millions of records

4. were did you hear he was in debt ?

5. and are you really gonna use a few disgruntled former employees to support your case when one was a bodyguard & the other was an artist that didn’t sign with the label till after biggie died as examples. come on my nikka - i can’t speak for meech, what did he exactly say ? and more importantly what recording/music business did he even have with puff ?

 

[reserved_one]

I honestly could had seen Big pulling a Mase after Born Again, fall back and run his label while also continuing to ghostwrite/strengthen a brand to sell clothes and liquor.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

This is incredible and makes perfect sense. I was wondering why Biggie was legitimately so good at songwriting. As a songwriter he's miles above most of his peers IMO. I didn't really get it until I got older and sat and really listened to his craft. Like he checks every mark when it comes to being a complete songwriter. Dude was too good. Like I could see him writing for Madonna, RIhanna, Beyonce, N Sync if he chose not to rap.

You could easily hear in his delivery that he was a student of music, not just beats.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Just say u hate big.
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