WSJ article:Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-me...he-case-for-god-1419544568?mod=trending_now_3

the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?

Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”

I've been trying to tell you guys...science will bring us closer to God :yeshrug:

Using Common Sense makes the answer a lot easier. I know its hard for you but...
















































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I've been trying to tell you guys...science will bring us closer to God

Except... that hasn't been the trend. Throughout history, just about everything mankind assumed or attributed to some supernatural cause, once we had the tools to investigate, we found that the cause for these things were completely natural. Religious ideas can only move the goal post: "Okay fine, Thor doesn't throw lightning bolts, but he did create the opposing charges that causes it".
 

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You got the brightest minds in science giving into ID because the math doesn't work but its a certainty huh :skip:

You should hit up nasa with your post and tell them to keep at it because you say so breh

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:whoa: Gotta correct you there, the math does work, what atheists/evolutionists are hanging on to is the fat that it's still 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000e1 probable. They say that slimmer of hope is enough to discredit the fact that abiogenesis is improbable :skip:. They want you to believe that the .000000000000000000000000e1 is probable and the more likely result. And they have the nerve to call themselves scientists :skip:
 

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Except... that hasn't been the trend. Throughout history, just about everything mankind assumed or attributed to some supernatural cause, once we had the tools to investigate, we found that the cause for these things were completely natural. Religious ideas can only move the goal post: "Okay fine, Thor doesn't throw lightning bolts, but he did create the opposing charges that causes it".

Who the f*ck is saying that? :skip: You're the one changing the argument, we're stating and have only been stating ID is the most probably cause (by far) of the genesis of the universe, you keep mentioning god figures more than anyone else, you atheist you :heh:
 

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Except... that hasn't been the trend. Throughout history, just about everything mankind assumed or attributed to some supernatural cause, once we had the tools to investigate, we found that the cause for these things were completely natural. Religious ideas can only move the goal post: "Okay fine, Thor doesn't throw lightning bolts, but he did create the opposing charges that causes it".

be so smart that you become dumb brehs :mjlol:
 

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Thanks, I guess... for re-affirming what I already said. :mjlol:



:manny: Truthfully, I didn't read the article. But I'd say there's a pretty good chance of us finding another planet that can support life. Just my opinion.
and the to the bolded. There you have it. I know its JUST your OPINION. because thats all it could be. Since..... we have not found another planet. and even by sciences own formula the likelihood of us finding another one is getting slimmer and slimmer the more we know about our own planet, solar system the universe as a whole. thats what this article is saying.
its theist saying wait a second scientists from the 60's, didnt yall say another earth is just on the horizon because there's only a handful of criteria. and based on probabilities. The odds of those handful of things lining up is pretty darn good... thats what you said back in the 60's right?

So as of today, 2015. The criteria for another earth has grown leaps and bounds. it has gone from a handful of things, to 6 handfuls and it keeps growing the more we know. So if that keeps happening and if i put that pattern of the criteria expanding more and more. then guess what. the odds become slimmer and slimmer that there is another planet bases on YOUR(scientists from the 60's) original criteria.

This article is not about catching feelings. Thats all its about what i just stated above. nothing more, nothing less. like i said. science back in the 60's Won that match based on their own scientific theories. Now in 2015 based on their own scientific theories Theists Win. This could change in the future of course.
 

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and the to the bolded. There you have it. I know its JUST your OPINION. because thats all it could be. Since..... we have not found another planet. and even by sciences own formula the likelihood of us finding another one is getting slimmer and slimmer the more we know about our own planet, solar system the universe as a whole. thats what this article is saying.
its theist saying wait a second scientists from the 60's, didnt yall say another earth is just on the horizon because there's only a handful of criteria. and based on probabilities. The odds of those handful of things lining up is pretty darn good... thats what you said back in the 60's right?

So as of today, 2015. The criteria for another earth has grown leaps and bounds. it has gone from a handful of things, to 6 handfuls and it keeps growing the more we know. So if that keeps happening and if i put that pattern of the criteria expanding more and more. then guess what. the odds become slimmer and slimmer that there is another planet bases on YOUR(scientists from the 60's) original criteria.

This article is not about catching feelings. Thats all its about what i just stated above. nothing more, nothing less. like i said. science back in the 60's Won that match based on their own scientific theories. Now in 2015 based on their own scientific theories Theists Win. This could change in the future of course.

Pretty sure you've made the same post 4x in a row now. Still not sure what you mean by "winning" though.

:dead: at the bolded in the context of this thread and specifically your posts in it.
 

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Except... that hasn't been the trend. Throughout history, just about everything mankind assumed or attributed to some supernatural cause, once we had the tools to investigate, we found that the cause for these things were completely natural. Religious ideas can only move the goal post: "Okay fine, Thor doesn't throw lightning bolts, but he did create the opposing charges that causes it".
i see you dont understand what God/ the creator means.

What you call mother nature or NATURAL. God calls his handiwork.

if you understand this. then what you just said means nothing in the realm of someone who believes there is intelligent design at work(God or something else or whatever(s) put this thing together).

This is another reason why it will always be difficult for science to prove GOD as in SEE HIm. how can you see Me when you're inside of me and everything i've created is within you? You cant. not with normal tools. The bible is a tool to SEE God with.
You dont use a bible to SEE into outer space. You use a telescope. But you dont use a telescope to see GOD. you use the bible. for some odd reason yall act like you guys dont understand this is the concept of believers(not you but believers).

Now without a telescope..guess what? outer space still existed. Just like before the bible, before Christ. guess what? God still existed. these are just tools to see these things with.

SO just because science comes around and breaks down a chemical reaction equation. that doesnt change the fact that God put the sun in motion, or that he put the Law's in motion that even science has to use in order to figure out what he put here. I've said this many times here. What has man created from SCRATCH? out of nothing...

ABSOLUTELY nothing.

if you believe the universe just randomly appeared. well guess what. Thats the first time we've seen something come out of absolutely nothing. And since we as men dont believe thats possible. There must be something(s) behind it. Its really that simple. now you dont have to agree with that. but thats the idea of an Intelligent Design person. There's nothing science can find that will debunk God in reality. The arguments we were having in here were about that article and nothing else. but since you went there i had to explain this point of view again.
Science will never find out through its own research WHY things are the way they are in all of nature. Because either it was just a random choice of nature itself .or a choice made by some intelligent being(s).So unless we can ask nature aka random(we cant)... or ask this intelligent being(we cant yet). we will never know the WHY's. All we can do is find out what is going on out there. We know the sun is hot. we know the further you are from the sun, the colder it gets. Do we really know why nature was set up that way? NO. We may know what happens because it was setup that way. but we dont have the why's.
 

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Pretty sure you've made the same post 4x in a row now. Still not sure what you mean by "winning" though.

:dead: at the bolded in the context of this thread and specifically your posts in it.
i'll keep making the exact same post. until yall get it. i see dem feelings are being hurt. the atheist folks are taking it personal. its not one of those articles. but these atheists posters are making it about more then what the article states. so yes i will keep helping them out and repeating it over and over until they get it.
 
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