WSJ article:Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God

[Richard Wright]

Y'all know Murdoch owns the journal right? He has been incrementally dumbing it down. Cancelled even my super discounted student subscription because of lack of quality.

 

[Type Username Here]

Y'all know Murdoch owns the journal right? He has been incrementally dumbing it down. Cancelled even my super discounted student subscription because of lack of quality.

That's what Murdoch does and he does it well.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

been saying it before

science is just a way to explain how the creator system process works

 

[Type Username Here]

been saying it before

science is just a way to explain how the creator system process works

A lot of people have said or believe this. The problem comes when the science gives you the opposite or contradicting answer to the holy text that describes your creator.

Text says X happen
Science proves Y happened

And you still choose X. There lies the problem.

 

[rapbeats]

Yeah, I understand what it means. I just happen to think it's foolish because you're simply redefining god's work as you see fit. You cannot demonstrate god's existence, you just DEFINE god into existence. You just ASSERT nature is god's handiwork. There's no reason to think this is true.



Yes, but before evidence, no one was justified in thinking outer space was a thing. They might have been right, but without tangible evidence, you cannot be justified in thinking a claim is true. God is the same.... and please don't say the Bible is evidence of god.



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I never said the bible is evidence of God. i just told you. you use a telescope to look into outer space. you dont use a socket wrench. The same way i'm saying that. is the same way i can say you can't see god with a telescope so to speak. I said the bible is a tool to SEE god.

But there are two things going on here.
if God is real(just humor me for a moment). and God is the creator of ALL THINGS(humor me)
That means even when you look thru a telescope you are looking at a piece of what God has created from within his creations(shoot you were created by him too). how on earth can you tell if he's real by looking at his creations from the inside and not the outside?

Just work with me for a moment. You guys should never even argue about is God real or not. if you dont believe, keep it moving. nothing else. let the believers believe. The reason i say that is because there will never be science that will show you with a scientific tool that God exists like you think it should.

its like if you were a cell in my body and you were looking for my nose on the outside. but you have never seen my nose from the outside because you're stuck on the inside. how on earth can you ever see my nose from the outside with tools that can only look at things on the inside? you cant.

this is why science will never FIND god or disprove god. Now if there is some other alien life form intelligent designer that isnt the biblical god. that could be found with science. because that thing or thing would be in the same realm as we currently are now. Science can't find something in the "spirit" realm. its not possible. scientific tools are not made for that world. its made for the Physical realm. again, if you dont believe in the spirit real. thats fine. But stop arguing with people who do. You cant win. And they cant lose. You guys will never come to an agreement. UNLESS you believe that what science you can see it makes you wonder if there is a ID behind it. But that still wont take you to the bible version necessarily. that could take you to "well maybe its some aliens out there like prometheus, that made us." At some point you will have to dip your toe into the spirit realm in order to see God from the bible.

I'll say this for the last time. a Telescopes/satellites/rovers/space shuttles/the space station unlocks the door to outer space
The Bible & Prayer unlocks the door to the Spirit realm.

There's only one other way you would ever see God/an angel, an evil spirit, etc. is if they choose to present themselves to you in the physical realm. Thats it. so stop looking for them through science tools

 

[tmonster]

I never said the bible is evidence of God. i just told you. you use a telescope to look into outer space. you dont use a socket wrench. The same way i'm saying that. is the same way i can say you can't see god with a telescope so to speak. I said the bible is a tool to SEE god.

But there are two things going on here.
if God is real(just humor me for a moment). and God is the creator of ALL THINGS(humor me)
That means even when you look thru a telescope you are looking at a piece of what God has created from within his creations(shoot you were created by him too). how on earth can you tell if he's real by looking at his creations from the inside and not the outside?

Just work with me for a moment. You guys should never even argue about is God real or not. if you dont believe, keep it moving. nothing else. let the believers believe. The reason i say that is because there will never be science that will show you with a scientific tool that God exists like you think it should.

its like if you were a cell in my body and you were looking for my nose on the outside. but you have never seen my nose from the outside because you're stuck on the inside. how on earth can you ever see my nose from the outside with tools that can only look at things on the inside? you cant.

this is why science will never FIND god or disprove god. Now if there is some other alien life form intelligent designer that isnt the biblical god. that could be found with science. because that thing or thing would be in the same realm as we currently are now. Science can't find something in the "spirit" realm. its not possible. scientific tools are not made for that world. its made for the Physical realm. again, if you dont believe in the spirit real. thats fine. But stop arguing with people who do. You cant win. And they cant lose. You guys will never come to an agreement. UNLESS you believe that what science you can see it makes you wonder if there is a ID behind it. But that still wont take you to the bible version necessarily. that could take you to "well maybe its some aliens out there like prometheus, that made us." At some point you will have to dip your toe into the spirit realm in order to see God from the bible.

I'll say this for the last time. a Telescopes/satellites/rovers/space shuttles/the space station unlocks the door to outer space
The Bible & Prayer unlocks the door to the Spirit realm.

There's only one other way you would ever see God/an angel, an evil spirit, etc. is if they choose to present themselves to you in the physical realm. Thats it. so stop looking for them through science tools

what's your definition of "seeing"?

 

[Propaganda]

we have not found "earth like" planets. yes i've heard someone write an article about that. then the scientist come back and correct them...well not technically like earth and all of what earth is about/made up to be but similar in this or that."

the similarities as far as we know TODAY are not nearly enough to call the planet truly earth like. as in sure no humans may live there. but someone else may live there with green bodies and one leg and 3 arms. yet they still think have feelings ,etc.

What if we found every planet in the universe. and we studied them all. and we found that there are 100 planets that support some form of life. but the highest form 99 of these planets support go up to roaches. thats it. The only planet in the universe that supports human life is our planet. and thats still supposed to be some kind of Oopsy or coinkydinky...random occurrence? sure it could be. but is that the conclusion you would still come to if the above were the case. The only reason i mentioned "another earth" is cause thats basically what the article was talking about.

again, you start bringing up what others have said about the article. and their numbers and the scientist they quoted not being mainstream. WHO CARES. they were talking about a set up criteria that was thrown out there in the 60's. they are now talking about the data we have now today. comparing the two. there is less chance for another earth popping up in the future. Which kills the original 60's article that uses the small criteria they had for earth when they say there is no god. thats all this is about. stop using what other scientists have said about this article. this article is talking about what some particular scientists said in that 60's article. and they are running with that and that alone. there are some scientists that would say "Yo,.... i never said that back in the 60's." and that may well be true. So they dont apply to this article.

yo, this fukking guy really yelled out 'WHO CARES' about the crux of his own argument.

 

[blackzeus]

One, I'm not a scientist. And how do you define a "serious proponent". And how do you demonstrate that most of them are scientists?


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A serious proponent, or in layman's terms (as simple as possible), someone who seriously proposes an idea is someone who proposes a intelligible, "researched" argument. Someone who states ID is real because it is, is not a serious proponent. Someone who argues that ID is real because of complexity, probability, and gives specific instances/examples is someone who has done some research on what he is arguing for, which is what I consider a serious proponent. And be serious breh, we really gonna argue about how to demonstrate a scientist is a scientist?

 

[blackzeus]

Islamic Extremism Makes the Case for God

I guess ISIS finna "strike our heads" too

 

[88m3]

I guess ISIS finna "strike our heads" too

there is a hadith in my heart, brother

 

[blackzeus]

there is a hadith in my heart, brother

We ain't brothers, keep your lessons to yourself

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

On the whole, this is a very accessible and readable presentation of the issues involved in describing the role of the observer in quantum theory. The material presented is all on a sound theoretical basis, and it’s laid out in a way that should be comprehensible for the general reader. While it might’ve been a more exciting book had Rosenblum and Kuttner decided to advocate a particular position, their comprehensive and objective summary of the issues and interpretations involved should provide a valuable resource for any reader who would like to understand the real science behind the fuzzy area where quantum physics meets consciousness.

I'm on page 100. Very interesting so far......​

 

[LogicFirst]

if you dont believe in a religious God, thats one thing, but not believing in a Creator, you're fukking crazy.
The human body is the most amazing invention known to man (pun intended)

 

[LogicFirst]

fukk you mean perfect planet?? are you aware of how many things are trying to kill us? are you aware of how many diseases there on this planet that could wipe us out? if your god was so goddamn powerful he wouldn't allow aids, the plague, and a load of other shyt to wreak havoc on our population.

god is good but he lets mankind's population bounce up and down like fukking tennis balls.



i can't stand it when people use science to justify higher beings.

shyt.. we have a higher chance of harry potter being real than jesus and allah and them other mythical creatures.

life and death are a cycle. devaluing life because it doesnt last forever doesnt make sense to me. could one truly value life if it lasted forever?

 

[LogicFirst]

Its a simple question.

You claim its designed, so what does a lack of design look like?

space