WSJ article:Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God

[LogicFirst]

I lean to the preponderance of evidence that is reproducible showing how light active proteins can generate inorganic and eventually organic molecules...and you seem to want to think its all "design"

So, show me what non-design looks like.

This is what happens when you make assertions, and overshoot the legitimacy of the fallibility of your argument.

bullshyt. no laboratory has ever generated organic from inorganic

 

[joeychizzle]

life and death are a cycle. devaluing life because it doesnt last forever doesnt make sense to me. could one truly value life if it lasted forever?

In NO way do I de-value life. Conversely, the very fact that we only have around 70-90 years on this little blue planet means that we SHOULD value our lives intensely, because that's all we'll ever have. There is no 'after-life' or 'Heaven', or even a 'Hell'. Weirder Christians have told me of some 'limbo' where it's like some sort of spiritual customs gate where you just wait for the right moment or something, but fukk that.
We only have one life, and that's this physical life.
If I could live forever, I would. I'll deal with the problems as they come.

bullshyt. no laboratory has ever generated organic from inorganic

Yet.

 

[LogicFirst]

In NO way do I de-value life. Conversely, the very fact that we only have around 70-90 years on this little blue planet means that we SHOULD value our lives intensely, because that's all we'll ever have. There is no 'after-life' or 'Heaven', or even a 'Hell'. Weirder Christians have told me of some 'limbo' where it's like some sort of spiritual customs gate where you just wait for the right moment or something, but fukk that.
We only have one life, and that's this physical life.
If I could live forever, I would. I'll deal with the problems as they come.


Yet.

indeed

 

[LogicFirst]

In NO way do I de-value life. Conversely, the very fact that we only have around 70-90 years on this little blue planet means that we SHOULD value our lives intensely, because that's all we'll ever have. There is no 'after-life' or 'Heaven', or even a 'Hell'. Weirder Christians have told me of some 'limbo' where it's like some sort of spiritual customs gate where you just wait for the right moment or something, but fukk that.
We only have one life, and that's this physical life.
If I could live forever, I would. I'll deal with the problems as they come.


Yet.

what type of evidence do you need to prove their is a creator?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

In NO way do I de-value life. Conversely, the very fact that we only have around 70-90 years on this little blue planet means that we SHOULD value our lives intensely, because that's all we'll ever have.

Why value anyone else's life aside from your own?​

 

[LogicFirst]

Why value anyone else's life aside from your own?​

empathy

 

[joeychizzle]

what type of evidence do you need to prove their is a creator?

recordable, physical, measurable, tangible evidence. above all i wanna see and touch and talk to a supposed creator.

Why value anyone else's life aside from your own?​

Because I'm not a selfish individual who believes that my faith makes me better than others. I care not only for myself, but for my community, my country , my continent and mankind.

 

[LogicFirst]

Because I'm not a selfish individual who believes that my faith makes me better than others. I care not oly for myself, but for my community, my country , my continent and mankind.

n
Im intentionally using the word Creator rather than God because God is too loaded a word. Im not trying to convert you or anything I just dont get the hard time people have with the concept of a creator. You say that in the future we may be able to create organic from inorganic and that could be a possibility. Now, if Joey invented the technology that could create life from non-life and took it to another planet, Joey would be the Creator of that species on that planet. In other words, it may be easier to look at your creator as an ultra intelligent alien that created organic life on earth billions of years ago

 

[joeychizzle]

n
Im intentionally using the word Creator rather than God because God is too loaded a word. Im not trying to convert you or anything I just dont get the hard time people have with the concept of a creator. You say that in the future we may be able to create organic from inorganic and that could be a possibility. Now, if Joey invented the technology that could create life from non-life and took it to another planet, Joey would be the Creator of that species on that planet. In other words, it may be easier to look at your creator as an ultra intelligent alien that created organic life on earth billions of years ago

That would be possible.. except I would've carried equipment with me to record every step of the process. If ultra intelligent aliens DID create us (which isn't entirely impossible - scientific reason dictates that every theory, however unlikely, is possible), they didn't leave anything behind.
I wouldn't worship that creator and act like he's beyond reproach or uncontestable. Our 'creators' like christian god, allah, etc those are just human concepts.

AND

these aliens wouldn't be almighty beings that somehow provide nothing. they'd just be the guys that made us. obviously idiots will still worship them like gods, but people like me will be like, wow. they made us. let's study them.

Besides.. the day we create organic matter from inorganic matter in labs, all kinds of people will start going nuts. religious people, animal lovers, all sorts.
we will finally be the 'gods' we prayed to and people won't accept it with loving arms - they'll burn it with fire and call it sin.

 

[LogicFirst]

That would be possible.. except I would've carried equipment with me to record every step of the process. If ultra intelligent aliens DID create us (which isn't entirely impossible - scientific reason dictates that every theory, however unlikely, is possible), they didn't leave anything behind.
I wouldn't worship that creator and act like he's beyond reproach or uncontestable. Our 'creators' like christian god, allah, etc those are just human concepts.

AND

these aliens wouldn't be almighty beings that somehow provide nothing. they'd just be the guys that made us. obviously idiots will still worship them like gods, but people like me will be like, wow. they made us. let's study them.

Besides.. the day we create organic matter from inorganic matter in labs, all kinds of people will start going nuts. religious people, animal lovers, all sorts.
we will finally be the 'gods' we prayed to and people won't accept it with loving arms - they'll burn it with fire and call it sin.

First, any religious person that expects you to blindly follow I dont respect. A person should rigorously question all aspects of a faith before hoping on board, so no one should be offended by your perspectives.

...but hypothetically if i could prove there was a creator would you worship him?

 

[joeychizzle]

First, any religious person that expects you to blindly follow I dont respect. A person should rigorously question all aspects of a faith before hoping on board, so no one should be offended by your perspectives.

...but hypothetically if i could prove there was a creator would you worship him?

IF your proof was not only satisfactory to me, but to the leading people on this particular subject (scientists from every spectrum), then, yes. I would. A rational atheist's mind can be swayed with real, tangible evidence. Whether or not that evidence is actually viable or not, is another matter.
I guess you could call me a humanist in addition to an atheist.

 

[LogicFirst]

IF your proof was not only satisfactory to me, but to the leading people on this particular subject (scientists from every spectrum), then, yes. I would. A rational atheist's mind can be swayed with real, tangible evidence. Whether or not that evidence is actually viable or not, is another matter.
I guess you could call me a humanist in addition to an atheist.

we just differ on what proof is. i consider my existence tangible proof of a Creator, but I wouldnt consider my existence proof of an afterlife though, thats a whole other matter. human beings have an instinctive to desire to believe in something "higher". You, yourself probably "want" there to be a God, you just dont see any evidence. I'm fascinated with the psychology of it all

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Because I'm not a selfish individual who believes that my faith makes me better than others. I care not only for myself, but for my community, my country , my continent and mankind.

There's nothing 'wrong' with being selfish and 'faith' has nothing to do with the question. Why do you care about anyone else?​

 

[LogicFirst]

There's nothing 'wrong' with being selfish and 'faith' has nothing to do with the question. Why do you care about anyone else?​

empathy
[em-puh-thee]
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noun
1.
the psychological identification with or vicarious experiencing of thefeelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
2.
the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or work ofart, feelings or attitudes present in oneself:
By means of empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self.
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Greek
1900-1905
1900-05; < Greek empátheia affection, equivalent to em- em-2+ path-(base of páschein to suffer) + -eia -ia; present meaning translates GermanEinfühlung
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empathy, sympathy (see synonym study at sympathy )

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1. See sympathy.
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• There are numerous shortcuts and tricks that a clever programmer can exploit to give the impression of empathy and understanding.
• His utter lack of empathy and understanding-- on any level-- prevents him from forming health relationships.
• Humans are not the only species capable of empathy.

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empathy
/ˈɛmpəθɪ/
noun
1.
the power of understanding and imaginatively entering into another person's feelings See also identification (sense 3b)
2.
the attribution to an object, such as a work of art, of one's own emotional or intellectual feelings about it
Derived Forms
empathist, noun
Word Origin
C20: from Greek empatheia affection, passion, intended as a rendering of German Einfühlung, literally: a feeling in; see en-², -pathy
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n.
1903, from German Einfühlung (from ein "in" + Fühlung "feeling"), coined 1858 by German philosopher Rudolf Lotze (1817-1881) as a translation of Greek empatheia "passion, state of emotion," from en "in" (see en- (2)) +pathos "feeling" (see pathos). A term from a theory of art appreciation that maintains appreciation depends on the viewer's ability to project his personality into the viewed object.

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empathy em·pa·thy (ěm'pə-thē)
n.

1. Direct identification with, understanding of, and vicarious experience of another person's situation, feelings, and motives.
   
   
2. The projection of one's own feelings or emotional state onto an object or animal.
   

em'pa·thet'ic (-thět'ĭk) or em·path'ic (-pāth'ĭk) adj.
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empathy [(em-puh-thee)]

Identifying oneself completely with an object or person, sometimes even to the point of responding physically, as when, watching a baseball player swing at a pitch, one feels one's own muscles flex.

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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

empathy

Didn't ask you.​