WTF?? KRS-ONE co-signs Drake using a Ghostwriter.

[UpAndComing]

I don't even like Drake but I know like KRS knows most dudes have had help writing their raps. Every artist you can name damn near, from the GOATs to lesser rappers have had help putting verses together. That's why I wasn't at all surprised about the Drake shyt. I didn't think there was a chance he didn't have help. He's too consistent in making hits. That takes a team.

KRS answer wasn't that far off from Royce. Basically it puts the person in a different category. They're not top tier lyricist anymore but they can still be a dope rapper.

But you can't even be called a dope rapper if someone like Drake uses other people's rhymes AND their flows

KRS One is playing both sides of the fence. If a legendary rapper used ghostwriters, it would be on occasion from a group member for one song or someone feeding them a couple lines of a song in the studio. This isn't the same case with Drake

If you have ghostwriters writing whole albums for you and giving you a flow on how to rap over it, you can still be considered an MC or a Rapper? Really?

 

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Drake >>>>>>>> krs one

 

[Soon]

And people getting on KRS for holding his tongue or whatever....that ain't the problem. The problem is virtually every time this topic gets brought up people don't ask the right questions.

Instead of asking "do you have a problem with ghostwriters"....which is a dumb ass question because they mentioned people like Eazy and Biz that used them....ask "do you have a problem with people hiding the ghostwriters?"

And the answer would be "yes", because he flat out said that anyway.

If he said "using writers lessens you" don't let him say "Rakim could write for me" without asking what the fukk he's talking about. At least elaborate on it, because you just contradicted yourself. Over all I think Nore is a good host but he needs to know when to push a question instead of just saying "wow, that's crazy, make some noise!"

Fred.

Do you really believe Krs-One would have let anyone write for him? Remember, he was a ghost writer himself.

I don't care about ghost writers, but there is a reason why I don't regard Kanye the same way I regard Talib Kweli. I would sit and study a Talib Kweli verse, but I would just bop to a Kanye verse never really trying to dissect the lyrics.

This is why I don't feel like ghost writing is that serious.

Lets be reality, when it comes to having ghost writers, that rapper will never be mentioned among the greats.

 

[SunZoo]

I will say, it doesn't entirely sit well with me as it's indicative of just how big Hip Hop has become in that the Milli Vanilli sh!t is acceptable.

That's the real problem.

Like I said, I understand these artists are products but let's keep it 100. Don't try and sell me Drake, or Justin Beiber, or some other performance artist as an MC.

Regardless of how you personally feel about Drake this wasn't some Will Smith scenario where you have a blatantly pop rapper in the same sales bracket of a Jay Z without veering in that lane or trying to be validated as a lyricist. This nikka was literally trying to convince people in his raps that "it's all me".

 

[hex]

Do you really believe Krs-One would have let anyone write for him? Remember, he was a ghost writer himself.

The problem for people isn't "did he?" because the answer is "no". The problem for people is he hypothetically said he'd let Rakim write for him.

Which again is to me because there's literally no one else he can use that example on, besides himself. He can't say "well, if Drake has a ghost writer in 2036 it's ok". Dude has been around 30+ years. Him spitting a Ra verse at this point ain't gonna do jack shyt for his career either way.

The only beef I have with him is he should've picked his words more carefully, because he left the door wide the fukk open for people to twist what he's saying. He should be smarter than that.

Fred.

 

[Kings County]

Hiphop has reached an all time low.

Not gonna lie, I've lost a very significant amount of respect for KRS after this .

This is unreal.

drake a commercial rapper he makes hits he dont spit bars so it aint really a problem

if he was a jadakiss type nikka it would be a problem

 

[tremonthustler1]

Nah fukk that.

Expecting people to stop talking about it as if there has ever been a rapper of that status exposed to that degree is stupid...the shyt matters...even if you agree the practice or are indifferent, this was/is going to be a relevant discussion because it sets the tone for what comes next.

And it ain't about whether I was personally fooled. It's about Hip Hop and the precedent that something like that sets. I never fukked with Drake like that but as someone who tries to be objective I was more than willing to put his run into proper perspective. I could respect his movement and his status as a star and ultimately as a noteworthy rapper, even as a lyricist in this game without giving any guff about it despite only liking a hand full of songs and not thinking he was that dope in the first place.

Now that we know the deal, that it goes way beyond "bouncing ideas" and into Rap Concentration camps and tent slaves, it's disheartening to know that you could take a Justin Beiber/Post Malone type with no real stripes or history in the culture, give him a workforce of slaves and have him dominate the game. That I do care about...sue me.

What was gonna come next? Fans were gonna deify artists who didn't warrant that sort of praise? That's been happening. Hip-hop was gonna let a bunch of shyt slide that didn't happen in the past? Been happening. 20 years from now some kid's gonna look back and think "Damn French Montana really was KONY during that time" --- some kids may be thinking that now. Just look at this site. You think we're interested in enforcing the written and unwritten rules of rap? No. We want fukkery and good music. Drake in his own way provides both, which is why fans who love fukkery and good music, run to his defense. The hip-hop publications we relied upon so much to enforce certain things and cement criticisms on paper have mostly gone to shyt (before we could have relied on The Source to rip him to shreds), so these other sites who don't value how shyt is made don't care to make it an issue to go after Drake.

If it weren't for DJ Premier, Justin Bieber woulda had a spot on a BET Cypher. That was before Drake. In 2016, Justin Bieber is the biggest artist on Def Jam. Rap fans like the replica of a rapper as much as the original (Desiigner). Now, legends, established artists, etc., don't seem to give as much of a damn. The few that hold onto these principles look out of place, and there's nothing less hip-hop than being out of place.

I actually thought it woulda been a great look for Quentin Miller in that fans woulda been interested in hearing him since apparently he has the ideas. But it proves why this practice happens (because when y'all heard Quentin Miller y'all woulda rather heard Drake say it). THAT to me deserves an explanation. Everything else (Sprite commercials, fan opinion, etc.), it's for the birds, and if Drake after all of this is considered one of the great wordsmiths of our time, then we can't really point the finger at Drake. Everything is out there, and people are making their minds up. Why they're not choosing to still ride with Drake is something you need to be upset about.

 

[Mac Casper]

drake a commercial rapper he makes hits he dont spit bars so it aint really a problem

if he was a jadakiss type nikka it would be a problem

wrong

 

[Soon]

The problem for people isn't "did he?" because the answer is "no". The problem for people is he hypothetically said he'd let Rakim write for him.

Which again is to me because there's literally no one else he can use that example on, besides himself. He can't say "well, if Drake has a ghost writer in 2036 it's ok". Dude has been around 30+ years. Him spitting a Ra verse at this point ain't gonna do jack shyt for his career either way.

The only beef I have with him is he should've picked his words more carefully, because he left the door wide the fukk open for people to twist what he's saying. He should be smarter than that.

Fred.

They can twist Krs-One words, but Drake is Kanye, Dre, Will Smith status after this exposal.

Makes you wonder about that Stay Scheming verse, which I at one point had me geeked, now I treat that verse as an after thought.

 

[Kings County]

wrong

u can have your opinion
no one ever heard a drake line and went that shyt hard

nikka makes music for women

 

[tremonthustler1]

And people getting on KRS for holding his tongue or whatever....that ain't the problem. The problem is virtually every time this topic gets brought up people don't ask the right questions.

Instead of asking "do you have a problem with ghostwriters"....which is a dumb ass question because they mentioned people like Eazy and Biz that used them....ask "do you have a problem with people hiding the ghostwriters?"

And the answer would be "yes", because he flat out said that anyway.

If he said "using writers lessens you" don't let him say "Rakim could write for me" without asking what the fukk he's talking about. At least elaborate on it, because you just contradicted yourself. Over all I think Nore is a good host but he needs to know when to push a question instead of just saying "wow, that's crazy, make some noise!"

Fred.

NORE isn't equipped to ask these types of questions. He's only considered a good host because he's funny and can get people to open up by being chummy. If a host's purpose is designed to clown and entertain, don't expect hardball questions.

 

[Farrinto]

You wouldn't consider how he got at Nelly "hating on the youth"?

I posted this in another thread and I got shytted on

KRS-One lost there because he dissed Nelly first, caught feelings when Nelly responded, and tried to get people to boycott his album which still went multi-platinum anyway.

 

[tremonthustler1]

They can twist Krs-One words, but Drake is Kanye, Dre, Will Smith status after this exposal.

Makes you wonder about that Stay Scheming verse, which I at one point had me geeked, now I treat that verse as an after thought.

What was he to you BEFORE this?

 

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What was he to you BEFORE this?

he was at rakim levels and still is

 

[wingstop]

I posted this in another thread and I got shytted on

KRS-One lost there because he dissed Nelly first, caught feelings when Nelly responded, and tried to get people to boycott his album which still went multi-platinum anyway.

im glad nelly ethered krs.

trying to get people to boycott nelly's album was so bytch made.