Xbox Scorpio vs PS4 Neo

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As far as I'm concerned, all of this back patting is irrelevant without price points for either console. If Sony drops that Neo at 400 bucks and this Scorpio is more powerful and drops at the same price, then MS has really done something. On the other hand, if it comes out at a price of 600 bucks or more, well, you just aren't going to have as many people buying it.
 

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wait wait wait...

So before Scorpio was official we had plenty of people on this board that wan't to buy a ps4.5 for 4k and the vr for 399-499 and the camera and motion controller.


Now "who has 4k anyway?"


:snoop:


Sony had a great conference they showed off 4 exclusives I personally want. Microsoft had a good conference they showed off 3 I want. Plus they are launching a new system end of next year with cross play and backwards compatibility all the way back to regular xbox.


I'll get the Scorpio more than likely and buy the time it drops most of what we saw at E3 from sony should also be dropping close to that time.

This is a valid point.
There was a lot of pride in the stronger PS4 hardware.
Now the conversation is focusing on games again.
Which is 100% fine with me, but the flip flop is amusing.

In reality I think it'll boil down to price and of course software, but the price is what people will look at first. If this new XB1 isn't priced competitively it'll flop right out the gate.

When PS3 and 360 came out, I think 360 got a head start due to the lower price point.
I think a similar situation happened with the PS4 and XB1, when the PS4 came out at a lower price point (And in this case the better hardware).

It'll be interesting to see how these PS4.5 and XB1.5 consoles are received.

My random guess is this new XB1 will be $599 - $699 with considerations for a possible loss similar to the PS3 hardware sales.
 

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No. Microsoft's problem isn't console power. It's their internal studios and their inability to create new and compelling game franchises. Their second problem is their core audience is mostly dudebro gamers. Both Halo and Gears were supposed to have ended their story lines at the third entry but Microsoft said fukk it and handed both series off to other developers because they don't have anything else.

Even the stuff Remedy makes struggles to take off. A game like Heavy Rain would probably flop on the Xbox. Sony can afford to experiment more and have a more diverse lineup. Microsoft is stuck in a pattern of Halo, Gears, Forza, repeat. Nothing else really takes off over there.
Wait until people finish their coffee breh :huhldup:
 

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Wait until people finish their coffee breh :huhldup:
Its true. They came in this industry thinking they'd just throw money at everything and rule and it didn't work out. I still can't get over how they paid all that money for Rare only to destroy it. Rare was the shyt when Nintendo had them. Microsoft bought them and now they're nothing. Its almost as if Microsoft is cancerous to development studios. Maybe Bungie was smart to get out cause if they were still there I'm betting they'd be stuck only making Halo games until everybody major quit.
 

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wait wait wait...

So before Scorpio was official we had plenty of people on this board that wan't to buy a ps4.5 for 4k and the vr for 399-499 and the camera and motion controller.


Now "who has 4k anyway?"

:snoop:


Sony had a great conference they showed off 4 exclusives I personally want. Microsoft had a good conference they showed off 3 I want. Plus they are launching a new system end of next year with cross play and backwards compatibility all the way back to regular xbox.


I'll get the Scorpio more than likely and buy the time it drops most of what we saw at E3 from sony should also be dropping close to that time.
*One person says "Who even has 4k?*

*says everyone switched up on "who has 4K?"*

:mjlol:
 

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Also I think it is worth mentioning that Microsoft WILL have an advantage starting out because they actually have a big group that has had to deal with scaling across platforms/hardware. Sony doesn't have that and regardless of what the PlayStation crowd has to believe...it IS a distinct advantage for Microsoft in that sense.
 

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The contradiction from you nikkas is hilarious. The last few years it's been "1080/60" and how much more powerful the ps4 was. It was less talk about the actual games and more about the hardware. Now that Microsoft is in better hands and is about to son Sony with a more powerful console it's "let's talk about the games". Is it oochie wally or is it one mic?

Anyway...anyone who enjoys gaming will enjoy whatever route they wish to take with their console choice. But continue the contradiction and nonsense...
This is false. nikkas has ALWAYS been talking about games. Every major event you saw the "lists" of games people talked about. In the process, the Larrybox was and is an inferior hardware compared to the PS4. Saying that people talked about hardware only is basically spreading the lie that people only buy PS4 because it's the more powerful system which is a half lie. Pricing, positive mindshare and hype off of exclusive games is what made the PS4 what it is today. Better hardware merely was icing on the cake and it was noted every time a multiplat game came out because admit it, it's fun to talk about the "larry"box.

I wouldn't expect you of all nikkas to not try to rewrite history.
 
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Its true. They came in this industry thinking they'd just throw money at everything and rule and it didn't work out. I still can't get over how they paid all that money for Rare only to destroy it. Rare was the shyt when Nintendo had them. Microsoft bought them and now they're nothing. Its almost as if Microsoft is cancerous to development studios. Maybe Bungie was smart to get out cause if they were still there I'm betting they'd be stuck only making Halo games until everybody major quit.
Microsoft just lost focus. The XBOX 360 is undeniably a top 5 console all time...quite possibly top 3 if you take into account all the advancement that console made for online gaming/communities along with some good exclusives.

The XBOX division under Mattrick got very weird. Kinect and all this other bullshyt that gamers did NOT care about. They are heading in the right direction with Spencer...it is just going to take a long time to get away from the damage the Mattrick era did. If it was any other company that could have been the death of the brand.
 

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The contradiction from you nikkas is hilarious. The last few years it's been "1080/60" and how much more powerful the ps4 was. It was less talk about the actual games and more about the hardware. Now that Microsoft is in better hands and is about to son Sony with a more powerful console it's "let's talk about the games". Is it oochie wally or is it one mic?

Anyway...anyone who enjoys gaming will enjoy whatever route they wish to take with their console choice. But continue the contradiction and nonsense...

They dont hear you though, you couldn't come through this joint without it being

1080p 60fps discussions

Then last e3 happened and it shifted towards games


Then it went back right around to 4k


now E3 is here and its games again.

:mjlol:
 

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Microsoft just lost focus. The XBOX 360 is undeniably a top 5 console all time...quite possibly top 3 if you take into account all the advancement that console made for online gaming/communities along with some good exclusives.

The XBOX division under Mattrick got very weird. Kinect and all this other bullshyt that gamers did NOT care about. They are heading in the right direction with Spencer...it is just going to take a long time to get away from the damage the Mattrick era did. If it was any other company that could have been the death of the brand.
I don't see them heading in any direction. They're devaluing the Xbox every damn time I hear about it. I think the Windows 10 integration was the nail in the coffin. Instead of trying to attract gamers on other platforms with some big titles, they just keep making the same franchises over and over and over without innovation. When they do get a new franchise, it's some weak shyt that's now also on Windows 10.




Why would anyone with a PS4 or PC buy an Xbox now? I can't see any reason unless you just want to waste money. Project Scorpio isn't going to fix their problems, the games still are going to be teh same and if you want to see them on more powerful hardware, you can already do that right now. Xbox is just a worthless system imo this gen. Look at the E3 reception for example just now: You have dudes that don't have PS4's talking about buying it because they showed several games that look crazy. You HAVE to buy a PS4.

Xbox?? Oh cool, I'll play it on Windows 10. It's a good gesture, but ultimately it's making the system unappealing.
 
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I don't see them heading in any direction. They're devaluing the Xbox every damn time I hear about it. I think the Windows 10 integration was the nail in the coffin. Instead of trying to attract gamers on other platforms with some big titles, they just keep making the same franchises over and over and when they do get a new franchise, it's some weak shyt that's now also on Windows 10. Why would anyone with a PS4 or PC buy an Xbox now? I can't see any reason unless you just want to waste money. Project Scorpio isn't going to fix their problems, the games still are going to be teh same and if you want to see them on more powerful hardware, you can already do that right now. Xbox is just a worthless system imo this gen.
Don't use the PC when you constantly try to downplay it when it fits your narrative breh :comeon:

Don't think I don't keep track, I have pages on all you cats on here :ufdup:

As far as xbox hardware goes, yeah it is a bit odd but I think Microsoft is looking at this just like Apple looks at it's hardware. It's all about connecting and keeping things in sync. Similar to that or steamplay for gaming...buy the game once and play it wherever you want. That's why I didn't understand the lack of Kinect port on the new xbox one s. The Kinect/TV integration is one of the best things the xbox one has going for it...it's an actual advantage over Sony. They aren't going to win in the gaming department...the ONLY shot they have is in services/media features.
 

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Yall stuck with the antiquated console wars thinking.

Hardware moves too fast, and profit margins on hardware are too low. The money is in software and services. The idea is to get your software and services in as many peoples hands as possible. Having multiple hardware options is the way to go.

Monthly NPD means less and less as time goes on.
 

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Don't use the PC when you constantly try to downplay it when it fits your narrative breh :comeon:
Breh, it's right in your face. You can say "don't use the PC argument" but no, we gotta use it. Every PS4 exclusive isn't on PC, some are but yesterday, there was a BUNCH of games that were PS4 only.

Xbox?? Oh, everything is coming to Windows 10 now. This wasn't some good guy Phil Spencer out of his heart for the gaming community move, this was a "We need to get more sales so let's just put it on Windows 10 to hopefully attract more people" move.



Don't think I don't keep track, I have pages on all you cats on here :ufdup:
Again, the PC argument doesn't apply, Sony has a bunch of games only on PS4, Xbox you can't say the same. Name me one exclusive for Xbox that's coming up only for Xbox. :lupe:

As far as xbox hardware goes, yeah it is a bit odd but I think Microsoft is looking at this just like Apple looks at it's hardware. It's all about connecting and keeping things in sync. Similar to that or steamplay for gaming...buy the game once and play it wherever you want. That's why I didn't understand the lack of Kinect port on the new xbox one s. The Kinect/TV integration is one of the best things the xbox one has going for it...it's an actual advantage over Sony. They aren't going to win in the gaming department...the ONLY shot they have is in services/media features.
This ecosystem synchronizing talk is just talk. I know, and we all know Microsoft would prefer if that meant more console sales. Steamplay works for Steam because... Steam is a storefront on both PC/Mac. Microsoft has hardware to sell, Steam couldn't care less. On top of that, Steam got PC gaming on lock, Windows 10 ain't attracting gamers so it's ultimately right now barely doing aything.

Kinect/TV :yawn: That's an advantage for the few who love that shyt but it's 3 years going and apparently they're not even shipping kinect out with Xbox anymore so it's really not a game changer. That's a good bullet point but that doesn't translate to 40 million console sold. People aren't running out to buy Kinect. Nobody is screaming when 343 studios logo shows. Nobody is "reacting" to Xbox games with the fervor of games presented on Playstation. That "hype" is translating to people talking about PS4 games and buying them. Microsoft doesn't "hype" anybody up except their hardcore fans. They need to take a page or two out of Sony's strategy because it translates to shyt getting bought. Making a new system is cool but PS4 didn't win because it was more powerful.
 

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Yall stuck with the antiquated console wars thinking.

Hardware moves too fast, and profit margins on hardware are too low. The money is in software and services. The idea is to get your software and services in as many peoples hands as possible. Having multiple hardware options is the way to go.

Monthly NPD means less and less as time goes on.
but you gotta have the hardware to buy software and use it's services. Windows 10 gaming isn't Steam, so it's not exactly doing anything right now. When Windows 10 gaming becomes as big as Steam(if), then that "play anywhere" thingy would come in handy but so far it's barely doing anything.

When a game like ROTR sells 98% of it's sales on Steam and 2% on Windows 10, this "the money is in software and services" speech looks shaky because ain't nobody using your service so you're fighting an uphill battle. Quantam Break comes out flopping on Xbox and they're talking about "Play Anywhere!". Well, nobody is playing there though :dwillhuh:

I'd say the same thing about other gaming services on PC. Steam is a damn monster.
Even shyt like Origins and Ubiplay ain't touching them and those services are widely known. Now you tryna introduce Microsoft into the mix? :mjlol:
 
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