Yall Remember The H.E.R.O.E.S. Act?

[Starski]

True, but those decisions and expectations of said politicians more times than not will hold more weight than those personal relationships in your life.

A politicians words, actions and decisions can determine nearly every aspect of your life.

10000%.

And that’s why I belive I have more leeway to get the side who promises $5 and gives me $3, to work with to get me to $4.

then it is the side who promises to take $5 from me. That’s just me personally. You can obviously do whatever you seem is fit.

but with that said, I think there is a CLEAR distinction between “apply pressure” to dems in order to leverage more outta them & doing the whole “they promised hazard and they didn’t do it so therefore they all prices of shyt can’t be trusted and are no better than the other side”.

I’m not saying it’s you, but I know that you know that’s a whole ass talking point.

 

[the bossman]

Dems haven't been in power 1 second and nikkas already complaining about what they haven't passed.

You can't make this shyt up.

This is what Obama meant when he said it's too many nikkas that don't understand how the government works in America.

OP saw that Democrats won in Georgia and literally thought they can pass any bill they want the very next day as if Trump isn't still in office and the new members don't need to be sworn in

Black folks we gotta do better than this yall

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

10000%.

And that’s why I belive I have more leeway to get the side who promises $5 and gives me $3, to work with to get me to $4.

then it is the side who promises to take $5 from me. That’s just me personally. You can obviously do whatever you seem is fit.

but with that said, I think there is a CLEAR distinction between “apply pressure” to dems in order to leverage more outta them & doing the whole “they promised hazard and they didn’t do it so therefore they all prices of shyt can’t be trusted and are no better than the other side”.

I’m not saying it’s you, but I know that you know that’s a whole ass talking point.

I'm more so with the mindset of that you can take what the government gives you, while also still mentioning the fact that they didn't keep to their exact words and promises. People do everyday in their life, so I don't see why take what the government gives us and shut up about it.

Said people wouldn't do that if someone they knew didn't come through with any or what money they promised them they would have, so I don't see why the same logic would apply to politicians. A lot of dudes in this thread and site know damn well they would be pissed and complaining about someone shorting them or not coming through on their word. So there's no reasoning to cape or hold politicians to a different standard.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

This is what Obama meant when he said it's too many nikkas that don't understand how the government works in America.

OP saw that Democrats won in Georgia and literally thought they can pass any bill they want the very next day as if Trump isn't still in office and the new members don't need to be sworn in

Black folks we gotta do better than this yall

Ehhh wasn't that supposed to be the purpose of the blue wave though?

Even the markets increased their expectations after Democrats won GA and actually decreased them originally when they lost in the November elections. A lot of people had the mindset that Democrats could pack the courts to counter the majority of Republicans in the Supreme Court once they took control. I remember those specfic threads and discussions being had around the time of the Barrett confirmation even when Biden said that he wouldn't do it.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Biden has also already a promised some day 1 EO’s this thread is really dumb and I bytch about Democrats Constantly on here

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Biden has also already a promised some day 1 EO’s this thread is really dumb and I bytch about Democrats Constantly on here

I bytch and complain about politicians and elected officials general lol.

 

[the bossman]

Ehhh wasn't that supposed to be the purpose of the blue wave though?

Even the markets increased their expectations after Democrats won GA and actually decreased them originally when they lost in the November elections. A lot of people had the mindset that Democrats could pack the courts to counter the majority of Republicans in the Supreme Court once they took control. I remember those specfic threads and discussions being had around the time of the Barrett confirmation even when Biden said that he wouldn't do it.

You missed the point. The reason this thread is ridiculous is because:

The votes in Georgia still need to be certified

Then the 2 senators need to be sworn in

Then Trump needs to leave office.

Bring this topic up 3 months from now when all the above should already be done

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

You missed the point. The reason this thread is ridiculous is because:

The votes in Georgia still need to be certified

Then the 2 senators need to be sworn in

Then Trump needs to leave office.

Bring this topic up 3 months from now when all the above should already be done

But that still doesn't mean that you can't bring up the Heroes Act or the $600 unemployment that was originally the hold up in the stimulus bill being passed. You can use those points as an excuse, but Biden's Plan that he really released doesn't include the $600 unemployment at all and in fact $400. It doesn't include the money that originally mentioned in the Heroes Act for "essential workers", so why even bring it up at all?

Now I said from the beginning that the $600 was too unrealistic and needed to go down and got called pocket watching for it. Now people are defending the amount going down when it was used as a political ploy in the first place to take control of the Senate. It was never feasible or going to happen, so why bring it up at all or use it as a talking point?

Biden's bill isn't the Heroes Act nor does it include those two original talking points that were used a political ploy. Specifically referring to Hazard Pay and the $600 which was OP point.

 

[the bossman]

But that still doesn't mean that you can't bring up the Heroes Act or the $600 unemployment that was originally the hold up in the stimulus bill being passed. You can use those points as an excuse, but Biden's Plan that he really released doesn't include the $600 unemployment at all and in fact $400. It doesn't include the money that originally mentioned in the Heroes Act for "essential workers", so why even bring it up at all?

Now I said from the beginning that the $600 was too unrealistic and needed to go down and got called pocket watching for it. Now people are defending the amount going down when it was used as a political ploy in the first place to take control of the Senate. It was never feasible or going to happen, so why bring it up at all or use it as a talking point?

Biden's bill isn't the Heroes Act nor does it include those two original talking points that were used a political ploy. Specifically referring to Hazard Pay and the $600 which was OP point.

What are you talking about? They wanted $2000 for American people since last year

 

[JT-Money]

Also keep in mind a Gavin Newsom has to appoint someone as well to the senate.

He already did some hispanic dude to replace Kamala.

Nothing of substance to help poor people and the middle class will be passed by the Democrats anytime soon.

They'll be busy fighting over immigration with Republicans. Or having a huge drawn out impeachment trial over Trump. And after 2 years have passed they'll have lost the majority again. They never seen to get anything accomplished for some reason when I'm the majority.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

What are you talking about? They wanted $2000 for American people since last year

The Heroes Act included money and Hazard Pay for "essential workers." Remember, there was big talk during the shot over who and what jobs were considered essential and what weren't. Even dudes on here still ask about the Hazard Pay because they think that their job is considered "essential." That's where the Hazard Pay comes from. As far as I can tell, Biden's bill doesn't include hazard pay for essential workers, so why even bring up Hazard Pay from the beginning?

The $600 comes from Nancy originally holding up the bill saying $600 unemployment or not. So naturally, the question would come up about whether the unemployment will be $600 again as that was an originally talking point all last year and a hold up of the bill.

Those are OPs talking points and provisions not included in Biden's bill as far as I can tell. As I said before the $600 and Hazard Pay was never feasible, so they should not have been as political ploy or talking points in the first place. All it did was create unrealistic expectations that likely never going to happen. And don't use the excuse to take what you get and shut up because you know damn well that excuse would not work in all walks of life, but don't use it when it comes to politicians.

Tell your boss that you will be able to do something and then not fully come through and see what happens. Now take said logic and apply it to politics. Your job is not going to give a damn why you couldn't fulfill your promise and not meet expectations.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

I consider Biden's plan the first draft of a script, or an outline. Once he hands it off to Congress, they'll rewrite and take out scenes that don't fit, add new elements to the story, and flesh the plan out further. There are already certain Democrats (AOC, Bernie, Chuck) who want to expand on the last stimulus bill and give people more ($2,000 stimulus checks straight up, retroactive unemployment benefits) so that will be something that gets debated over the next few weeks.

Biden is supposed to start taking steps with economic relief on Friday, so we'll see how his plan gets challenged and developed after that.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I consider Biden's plan the first draft of a script, or an outline. Once he hands it off to Congress, they'll rewrite and take out scenes that don't fit, add new elements to the story, and flesh the plan out further. There are already certain Democrats (AOC, Bernie, Chuck) who want to expand on the last stimulus bill and give people more ($2,000 stimulus checks straight up, retroactive unemployment benefits) so that will be something that gets debated over the next few weeks.

Biden is supposed to start taking steps with economic relief on Friday, so we'll see how his plan gets challenged and developed after that.

Some provisions will be easier to pass without the need for reconciliation compared to others. I would focus on the $1,400 stimulus check since that has the unanimous support and then go after the other issues. Use EO on what you can in the meantime as well.

 

[the bossman]

The Heroes Act included money and Hazard Pay for "essential workers." Remember, there was big talk during the shot over who and what jobs were considered essential and what weren't. Even dudes on here still ask about the Hazard Pay because they think that their job is considered "essential." That's where the Hazard Pay comes from. As far as I can tell, Biden's bill doesn't include hazard pay for essential workers, so why even bring up Hazard Pay from the beginning?

The $600 comes from Nancy originally holding up the bill saying $600 unemployment or not. So naturally, the question would come up about whether the unemployment will be $600 again as that was an originally talking point all last year and a hold up of the bill.

Those are OPs talking points and provisions not included in Biden's bill as far as I can tell. As I said before the $600 and Hazard Pay was never feasible, so they should not have been as political ploy or talking points in the first place. All it did was create unrealistic expectations that likely never going to happen. And don't use the excuse to take what you get and shut up because you know damn well that excuse would not work in all walks of life, but don't use it when it comes to politicians.

Tell your boss that you will be able to do something and then not fully come through and see what happens. Now take said logic and apply it to politics. Your job is not going to give a damn why you couldn't fulfill your promise and not meet expectations.

Bring this all up after the Dems actually have power.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Bring this all up after the Dems actually have power.

So if the next bill doesn't contain those two provisions then it is fair game to ask right?

No caping or making up excuses at all as they were brought up as talking points if they got control of the Senate.