Yellow Vest Protests in France because President Macron hiked up the tax on fossil fuels

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

President Maricon about to take a massive L

 

[Cynic]

I'm quite certain that the Earth has a finite amount of physical space, finite quantities of most minerals, and generally finite limits to how much pollution its ecosystems can dispose of at several levels.

Earth predates and will probably outlast our species so whose really finite here ... humans or earth?

"The status quo is change" only has any meaning as a slogan. From a technical perspective, is possible to maintain the status quo standard of living without continued economic growth.

It really isn't .. stagnation is death. Once you delve into human psychology
and the profit motives of the market - you'll understand why the assertion
you made is false.

Again, sounds good as a slogan but doesn't mean anything. It's just another way for selfish people to deflect from solving problems which require us to adopt higher standards than self-interest. People prove their ability to act beyond self-interest every day.

It's not a slogan. You are being ethereal now and deflecting reality for an ideal.


Admirable ? Yes.

Practical ? No

You mocked the idea of standing up to Big Oil and Big Finance. If you weren't belittling the idea of confronting the powerful, then what were you doing?

I'm not belittling. Comprehension is key. You've seen what these two are capable of both here and abroad
in terms of protecting/furthering their interests.

You want to take that gander... go ahead

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Earth predates and will probably outlast our species so whose really finite here ... humans or earth?

"Finite" means "limited in size or extent". You seem to be talking about "temporal" or something. I am referring to the finite physical size/resources of the Earth, and you're talking about its temporal existence for some reason. Not even a clear reason, you're just doing it to argue or something because whether or not the physical body of the Earth outlasts us has absolutely nothing to do with my statement on poorly designed economic systems.

It really isn't .. stagnation is death. Once you delve into human psychology
and the profit motives of the market - you'll understand why the assertion
you made is false.

The profit motives of the market are heavily driven by the loans-at-interest nature of money creation. It's not basic to human psychology as this level of forced growth wasn't present until the last few hundred years, isn't present at all in many human groupings, and even in our own society can be precluded by a sane money system. But revolving money creation and the assets of the wealthy around loans at interest absolutely guarantees enormous growth motivation across the system which creates an unsustainable reality.

It's not a slogan. You are being ethereal now and deflecting reality for an ideal.

Admirable ? Yes.

Practical ? No

I'm seeing the lethal fault of the system and actually trying to do something about it, rather than just being a cynic.

It's not idealistic to search for a solution when the alternative is catastrophe.

I'm not belittling. Comprehension is key. You've seen what these two are capable of both here and abroad
in terms of protecting/furthering their interests.

You want to take that gander... go ahead

And I always will.

 

[Mook]

100 companies are responsible for 70% of pollution.

fukk France. Little guy gets fukked again and everyone falls for it. Good job on these guys. Go tax the corporations.

 

[Swirv]

Its going to take an iron fist to ween us off the tit of oil. Most people aren't capable of looking at the larger picture and are primarily influenced by short term economic gain and comfort. This is part of the reason tackling climate change will be so hard. Raising taxes on fossil fuels is lightweight compared to what really needs to be done. At this point global society essentially needs to come to an abrupt halt if we are to save human civilization.
Preventing catastrophe is going to take a radical reformation on how we live our lives as human beings on this planet.
I wish it was as easy as humanity taking a break from growth for about 50 years or so to allow the ecosystem to recover on its own. And during that time we are developing a sustainable source of energy. Unfortunately its vastly for more complex than this.

This lifestyle of overconsumption needs to change.

 

[Cynic]

"Finite" means "limited in size or extent". You seem to be talking about "temporal" or something. I am referring to the finite physical size/resources of the Earth, and you're talking about its temporal existence for some reason. Not even a clear reason, you're just doing it to argue or something because whether or not the physical body of the Earth outlasts us has absolutely nothing to do with my statement on poorly designed economic systems.

I didn't seem or infer ...

Answer the question...

What's really finite here ... humans or earth?

The profit motives of the market are heavily driven by the loans-at-interest nature of money creation. It's not basic to human psychology as this level of forced growth wasn't present until the last few hundred years, isn't present at all in many human groupings, and even in our own society can be precluded by a sane money system. But revolving money creation and the assets of the wealthy around loans at interest absolutely guarantees enormous growth motivation across the system which creates an unsustainable reality.

An unsustainable reality for the last few hundred years ?

I'm seeing the lethal fault of the system and actually trying to do something about it, rather than just being a cynic.

It's not idealistic to search for a solution when the alternative is catastrophe.

Lethal to who exactly ? and what steps are you taking towards this goal ?

And I always will.

Best of Luck

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I didn't seem or infer ...

Answer the question...

What's really finite here ... humans or earth?

The Earth is finite in size and extent.

An unsustainable reality for the last few hundred years ?

Yes, in just a few hundred years we've seen a remarkable collapse in fisheries, forestries, watersheds, and the carbon cycle. Approximately 50% of the Earth's land area is being utilized for human development. Topsoil is being devastated in both quantity and quality, food output is dropping in nutritional value and becoming more and more susceptible to disease and pests even before the loss in volume productivity. As the collapse point is going to happen well before we reach 100% (as human civilization relies significantly on the processes undertaken in a lot of that undeveloped land area), our progress line towards the breaking point is obvious.

Lethal to who exactly ? and what steps are you taking towards this goal ?

Lethal to the maintenance of society as is currently expected. Exactly how the fallout will occur will remain to be seen, but it would be expected as in the vast majority of instances that the poor and the marginalized will feel the consequences far greater than the wealthy and powerful, who will see their current lives severely impinged but will use their power to make whatever outs are possible for themselves.

I try to keep the specifics of my work life off this board, but lets just say that every aspect of my life is devoted to the Struggle in a manner that promotes the maintenance of a stable Community rather than the destruction that mainstream society is on the path towards. Working towards our collective empowerment in a manner that does not simply replicate the errors of the colonizing capitalist status quo. It is not just my work life, it encompasses my entire life, I do what I can to live and work and eat and travel and raise my seed in a manner that brings health rather than destruction. From that position of authority in how I live what I preach, I do what I can to spread knowledge to others.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This shyt lookin like Kiev lite right now. Macron really this hated brehs?

Riot police clash with Paris protesters
Scores arrested in Paris as 'gilet jaunes' target Champs Élysées

Mon deu brehs....

 

[mbewane]

You can chek out live here if it works for you US brehs :

 

[mbewane]

That's happening around the Champs-Elysées/Arc de Triomphe, tear gas been being shot all day long lol. I think you can rewind on the live feed, anyway on that site ("Brut") it will be available in full afterwards too.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

You can chek out live here if it works for you US brehs :

Didn’t load for me. shyt is wild tho, I know it’s an issue with the increase in diesel costs but what brought things to this point? iirc Macron wasn’t the populist sensation that Le Pen was nor a progressive Bernie like sensation but a banking sector choice. Which side is winning out in France now?

 

[mbewane]

Didn’t load for me. shyt is wild tho, I know it’s an issue with the increase in diesel costs but what brought things to this point? iirc Macron wasn’t the populist sensation that Le Pen was nor a progressive Bernie like sensation but a banking sector choice. Which side is winning out in France now?

Damn...anyway yeah images are quite crazy, tear gas everywhere, I think it's been going since 10am. Tension seems to have escalated due to security forces more so than from the Gilets Jaunes. Although due to the nature of the "movement" (which isn't centralized, even 8 "representatives" have emerged), it's bound to happen that some more violent people join the demonstrations.

Yeah diesel costs sparked it but it's a long series of unpopular decisions hitting modest classes that brought it to this level of exasperation. Movement is getting a lot of support from what I see, from all kinds of different people, which makes it kind of difficult to fully understand. But the root of the issue, I believe, is an overall increase in cost of living, tax cuts for the rich, etc...and a general feeling of disconnect between Macron and the country. There was a thread made after last week's demonstration too with more answers in it.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Damn...anyway yeah images are quite crazy, tear gas everywhere, I think it's been going since 10am. Tension seems to have escalated due to security forces more so than from the Gilets Jaunes. Although due to the nature of the "movement" (which isn't centralized, even 8 "representatives" have emerged), it's bound to happen that some more violent people join the demonstrations.

Yeah diesel costs sparked it but it's a long series of unpopular decisions hitting modest classes that brought it to this level of exasperation. Movement is getting a lot of support from what I see, from all kinds of different people, which makes it kind of difficult to fully understand. But the root of the issue, I believe, is an overall increase in cost of living, tax cuts for the rich, etc...and a general feeling of disconnect between Macron and the country. There was a thread made after last week's demonstration too with more answers in it.

True, I need to find that thread and play catch up. Al Jazeera has been hilarious, they got a reporter in the heart of the protest them French brehs all in the video fukkin up the report on some Diddy shyt. Y’all are very clearly pissed off right now.

 

[mbewane]

True, I need to find that thread and play catch up. Al Jazeera has been hilarious, they got a reporter in the heart of the protest them French brehs all in the video fukkin up the report on some Diddy shyt. Y’all are very clearly pissed off right now.

Yeah pity the vids are not loading because the guy is reporting live non stop in the thick of it (last week he was there for like 7 hours straight, at some point he even got hit by a water canon and yesterday he was at a similar demonstration in Brussels and briefly got detained by police Dude gives no fukks )

 

[88m3]

at least it's only a 991