Yellow Vest Protests in France because President Macron hiked up the tax on fossil fuels

[gangreen]

we doomed. Its gonna take famine, disease and floods for people to take this seriously and thats gonna be too late.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Its going to take an iron fist to ween us off the tit of oil. Most people aren't capable of looking at the larger picture and are primarily influenced by short term economic gain and comfort. This is part of the reason tackling climate change will be so hard. Raising taxes on fossil fuels is lightweight compared to what really needs to be done. At this point global society essentially needs to come to an abrupt halt if we are to save human civilization.
Preventing catastrophe is going to take a radical reformation on how we live our lives as human beings on this planet.
I wish it was as easy as humanity taking a break from growth for about 50 years or so to allow the ecosystem to recover on its own. And during that time we are developing a sustainable source of energy. Unfortunately its vastly for more complex than this.

 

[Skooby]

we doomed. Its gonna take famine, disease and floods for people to take this seriously and thats gonna be too late.

It's probably already too late if we have reached peak oil.

 

[Triipe]

Its going to take an iron fist to ween us off the tit of oil. Most people aren't capable of looking at the larger picture and are primarily influenced by short term economic gain and comfort. This is part of the reason tackling climate change will be so hard. Raising taxes on fossil fuels is lightweight compared to what really needs to be done. At this point global society essentially needs to come to an abrupt halt if we are to save human civilization.

I wish it was as easy as humanity taking a break from growth for about 50 years or so to allow the ecosystem to recover on its own. And during that time we are developing a sustainable source of energy. Unfortunately its vastly for more complex than this.

imagine being this delusional

- We should take a break from growth for 50 years and global society needs to come to a abrupt halt.
which you think would lead to world changing energy technology breakthroughs? How sway???
Cap for an iron fist and the end of society.


Energy technology should not be stifled by Oil Interest, however you're advocating for a collapse of the current way of life.

I should be taxed for heating my house in the most affordable way? because of "climate change" ?? nah man

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

imagine being this delusional

- We should take a break from growth for 50 years and global society needs to come to a abrupt halt.
which you think would lead to world changing energy technology breakthroughs? How sway???
Cap for an iron fist and the end of society.


Energy technology should not be stifled by Oil Interest, however you're advocating for a collapse of the current way of life.

I should be taxed for heating my house in the most affordable way? because of "climate change" ?? nah man

Call someone else delusional and have climate change in quotes brehs

 

[Professor Emeritus]

imagine being this delusional

- We should take a break from growth for 50 years and global society needs to come to a abrupt halt.
which you think would lead to world changing energy technology breakthroughs? How sway???
Cap for an iron fist and the end of society.


Energy technology should not be stifled by Oil Interest, however you're advocating for a collapse of the current way of life.

I should be taxed for heating my house in the most affordable way? because of "climate change" ?? nah man

Imagine being this deluded by the capitalist masters that you believe simply maintaining the status quo would be the "end of society" and the "collapse of the current way of life."


Breh, a society that must constantly grow or die IS the end of society and inevitably the collapse of the current way of life. There is NO sustainable endgame there. A large number of the Earth's resources are finite, constant growth just means death.

There are other ways. The only reason we're stuck in the "constant growth" model is because that's how the wealthy people on top stay rich off of loans-on-interest and they are far too self-interested to budge off of their fat asses. If we didn't have a huge number of people committed to wealth gained via interest, we wouldn't need a constant-growth economy at all.

 

[Triipe]

If you think the population at large should bear the tax burden of an issue created by large multi national corporations damaging the environment I disagree. I never said climate change is a farce. The solutions that I have seen have been ridiculous

 

[Triipe]

The only reason we're stuck in the "constant growth" model is because that's how the wealthy people on top stay rich off of loans-on-interest and they are far too self-interested to budge off of their fat asses. If we didn't have a huge number of people committed to wealth gained via interest, we wouldn't need a constant-growth economy at all.

This is the root of the issue, and I'm glad you addressed it.

I don't have a full grasp on the issues of climate change, but you're right on the money with the bolded statement.

 

[FAH1223]

It's probably already too late if we have reached peak oil.

I thought we reached peak oil in 2008... when a barrel was $140

 

[Snoopy Loops]

If you think the population at large should bear the tax burden of an issue created by large multi national corporations damaging the environment I disagree. I never said climate change is a farce. The solutions that I have seen have been ridiculous

So you don’t heat your house and pump your gas?

 

[Triipe]

So you don’t heat your house and pump your gas?

The distribution of emissions is concentrated: 25 corporate and state producing entities account for 51% of global industrial GHG emissions. All 100 producers account for 71% of global industrial GHG emissions.

The highest emitting companies since 1988 that are investor-owned include: ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, Chevron, Peabody, Total, and BHP Billiton.

Key state-owned companies include Saudi Aramco, Gazprom, National Iranian Oil, Coal India, Pemex, and CNPC (PetroChina). Coal emissions from China are represented by the state, in which key state-owned producers include Shenhua Group, Datong Coal Mine Group, and China National Coal Group.

The lion share of the pollutants have been created during the production.


You and I using natural gas to keep the house warm ain't the issue

We should not be held subject to a carbon tax or any policy of the sort.

 

[88m3]

shyt is disgusting I read someone died and a cop lost a hand


behaving like isis over gas prices

 

[88m3]

So you don’t heat your house and pump your gas?

???

 

[Micky Mikey]

imagine being this delusional

- We should take a break from growth for 50 years and global society needs to come to a abrupt halt.
which you think would lead to world changing energy technology breakthroughs? How sway???
Cap for an iron fist and the end of society.


Energy technology should not be stifled by Oil Interest, however you're advocating for a collapse of the current way of life.

I should be taxed for heating my house in the most affordable way? because of "climate change" ?? nah man

I was being a bit sarcastic with this tidbit here. We all know this isn't going to happen. It is isn't even feasible. There would be mass riots in the street if every world leader made it mandatory policy to not drive cars, banned air travel, rationed our food etc.

And you made it a point that you'd be extremely outraged if you were taxed for heating your house. Such senitment only reaffirms the extent of how hard tackling climate change will be. Addressing climate change is less about what new sustainable forms of energy we can use in place of oil, and more about changing the human psyche. My point is that I do not believe we are advanced enough consciously to save ourselves from this problem. The rate at which this planet is becoming unhabitable for us to thrive is far outpacing the rate at which we'll become conscious enough to save the planet as a collective. It is rather ironic that a lack of consciousness is what got us in this position in the first place. The moment we made the distintion between us and nature is the moment we fukked ourselves.

 

[88m3]

I was being a bit sarcastic with this tidbit here. We all know this isn't going to happen. It is isn't even feasible. There would be mass riots in the street if every world leader made it mandatory policy to not drive cars, banned air travel, rationed our food etc.

And you made it a point that you'd be extremely outraged if you were taxed for heating your house. Such senitment only reaffirms the extent of how hard tackling climate change will be. Addressing climate change is less about what new sustainable forms of energy we can use in place of oil, and more about changing the human psyche. My point is that I do not believe we are advanced enough consciously to save ourselves from this problem. The rate at which this planet is becoming unhabitable for us to thrive is far outpacing the rate at which we'll become conscious enough to save the planet as a collective. It is rather ironic that a lack of consciousness is what got us in this position in the first place. The moment we made the distintion between us and nature is the moment we fukked ourselves.

If world leaders were willing to make that a policy what would stop them from killings hundreds of millions of people? Marx demands it. Lenin, Stalin, and Mao weren't pussies.