Sucks to be impacted. Obviously it frames your stance. Why did you stick around for 10 years with a perfect track record instead of taking your talent elsewhere?
Chain of command. Three of the four in the vertical aren’t married.
"You can't get promoted in your Career if you are not Married"
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Chain of command. Three of the four in the vertical aren’t married.
Well I’d assume if he quoted them in the OP then it was a part of the original question. And yes, my post that you quoted indicates that I do agree marriage plays a part in public positions.
“You can’t get promoted without Kissing Ass and playing the game”
The Devil's Advocate
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Cause I love my job... They pay me out the ass to do absolute shyt... After one dude got let go our manager flat out told us, he'd need another 10 years experience before he even sniffed at what he made here... And he made less than me. But now it's time to crack 6 figures..
But no.. this doesn't frame my stance because I have no stance... The data and studies have a fact... And the fact is married men are up.. And if there's only a certain amount of jobs and married men are seen as the best choice, then yes, the others are being limited
Yea that's not what the data is showing...
Abstract
We develop a model where selection into marriage and household search generate a marital wage premium. Beyond selection, married individuals earn higher wages for two reasons. First, income pooling within a joint household raises risk-averse individuals' reservation wages. Second, married individuals climb the job ladder faster, as they internalize that higher wages increase their partner's selectivity over offers. Specialization according to comparative advantage in search generates a premium that increases in spousal education, as in the data. Quantitatively, household search explains 10–33 percent and 20–58 percent of the premium for males and females, respectively, and accounts for its increase with spousal education.
Which is different from business positions, which is going to play out differently for men and women in regards to being single or married.
bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
also from the data:
"One possibility is that the observed premium is entirely a result of selection into marriage (Nakosteen and Zimmer 1987). If high-skilled individuals are more likely to marry, then a marital wage premium will emerge as more productive individuals represent a larger fraction of married individuals than singles."
so that's more of a correlation (more skilled individuals are likely to be selected promotion and marriage), rather than basic minded causation (marriage causes a promotion) people are trying to do in the thread.
gotta read past the abstracts!
Roger king
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It varies its not a one shot fits all standard type of thing in general married people appear to be more reliable
You also have to factor in the job function that you are doing within the company to determine if you are being hinder for promotion because of marital status. A person who has a certain skill set that is in high demand will most likely be paid well and move up regardless if they are married or not compare to another person who trying to work their way up in a general operations role. For example, John who is a single male w/o kids but has been a database engineer for 3 years with the firm will more likely move up than Mike who is also single w/o kids that has been with the firm for 10 years as a data entry person even if they have the same excellent performance and attendance record.
The Devil's Advocate
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That was one possibility made in a study in 1987... They were just listing what the past ideas were... One being that highly skilled workers marry more.. And the other that people see married men as more reliable.. That wasn't what THIS data was showing.. It was showing a NEW theory in 2021 and went about proving it's actually other reasons.. That's why you clipped out that one line but didn't include the context of why they brought it up
While the existence of a marital wage premium (hereafter, MWP) for males is universally accepted, its source has been the subject of much debate. One possibility is that the observed premium is entirely a result of selection into marriage (Nakosteen and Zimmer 1987). If high-skilled individuals are more likely to marry, then a marital wage premium will emerge as more productive individuals represent a larger fraction of married individuals than singles.1 Other explanations attribute a more causal effect of marriage on wages, positing that marriage makes men more productive. For example, if married men can specialize in market work because wives can take care of home production, then men are more able to develop their human capital and, therefore, be more productive (Becker 1985, 2009).2 In this paper, we provide a new theory of the marital wage premium that neither rests on selection nor requires that marriage make individuals more productive.
Thank you. Go getters and those who become skilled and educated are more than likely to get married BECAUSE they have the most options of the good women who want and stay with a man who has a good job and provides them with security.
I don’t believe it has to do with people sitting in the interview room picking a lower skilled married person over someone with more skills because he’s married.
bourgeoisie tall freak
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You underestimate the conservativism (bullshyt) of this culture then.
bourgeoisie tall freak
Superstar
i didn't quote that part because their theory was basically already posted in the abstract you highlighted lol. i was just adding the part YOU left out lol. and the reason why i did that was because you seemed to be trying to negate a poster who insinuated that people who are married are better financially... which is what the part i posted seems to have actually backed up because it deemed them as "higher-skilled" which made them more selectable for not only marriage and but better wages. but my main point was most of the theories are not the exact cause and effect that people itt are saying it is (for example the theory in one of the studies posted about married people being able to be more selective in searching for better wages because they have a partner to back them up financially (which also backs up what the poster was saying about married people being better off financially).. which has nothing to do with "gotta play the game to get a more money"
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