You ever wonder why NYC never got behind ASAP they way they do these new mediocre acts?

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Cause NY nikkas feel they are Gods gift to America. So even if you are from ny, if you don't come off like you from ny, then they ain't fukking with you


Look how they fukked with Nicki. Soon as she got on some weird shyt they don't even claim her. Asap too. Desiigner

Soon as you stop sounding like 1996, you done in NYC

Nicki f*cked herself up when she went with that techno/party sound. I personally liked it, but A LOT of people weren't feeling it. And I'm not sure about Desiigner, people were rocking with his sh*t HEAVY up here.

Wasn't it yams who picked all their beats?

Yeah,I believe so. He was definitely the one putting everything together behind the scenes.

 

[wizworld]

That's the thing that people rush to Co sign people doing dirt, but can't make good music. That's everywhere and it's dragging the quality down. Dave East leans more towards making quality songs IMO.

I respect your opinion, but I think it's taken Dave East longer to pop because he's making music that people 10 years OLDER than him can appreciate, as opposed to somebody like Meek who did it the other way around. Meek dropped "I'm A Boss" at 24, but he sounded like an obnoxious 14-16 year old that just started really feeling himself. I heard that joint coming out of so many teenagers headphones that year. See I love hearing new dudes come out who can really rap. But the reality is that I'm NOT going to their shows. I have a lot of other things to do with my time, I have to get up for work in the morning, etc etc. These artists need to catch the ear of the youth to sustain themselves. Naturally the kids will gravitate towards the artists that have their same type of energy, and are repping things that they rep.

A 15 year old and a 35 year old (not saying that's you, just giving an example base on what I said about Meek & Dave East) aren't going to have the same definition of a quality song. A 35 year old grew up in a generation where people still rapped, just to rap. Corner ciphers, lunchroom freestyle battles, etc. That type of stuff is looked down upon now, so the level of lyricism won't be the same. These kids gravitate more to the ENERGY of the music, than the lyrical content. But that doesn't mean the new music isn't "good". It just won't catch the ear of people who have been listening to rap for 15/20/25 years.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

given the social cleansing taking place in the city it shouldn't be a surprise the hood is not embracing them

 

[Wild self]

I respect your opinion, but I think it's taken Dave East longer to pop because he's making music that people 10 years OLDER than him can appreciate, as opposed to somebody like Meek who did it the other way around. Meek dropped "I'm A Boss" at 24, but he sounded like an obnoxious 14-16 year old that just started really feeling himself. I heard that joint coming out of so many teenagers headphones that year. See I love hearing new dudes come out who can really rap. But the reality is that I'm NOT going to their shows. I have a lot of other things to do with my time, I have to get up for work in the morning, etc etc. These artists need to catch the ear of the youth to sustain themselves. Naturally the kids will gravitate towards the artists that have their same type of energy, and are repping things that they rep.

A 15 year old and a 35 year old (not saying that's you, just giving an example base on what I said about Meek & Dave East) aren't going to have the same definition of a quality song. A 35 year old grew up in a generation where people still rapped, just to rap. Corner ciphers, lunchroom freestyle battles, etc. That type of stuff is looked down upon now, so the level of lyricism won't be the same. These kids gravitate more to the ENERGY of the music, than the lyrical content. But that doesn't mean the new music isn't "good". It just won't catch the ear of people who have been listening to rap for 15/20/25 years.

My opinion is, music goes through phases. That "energy" shyt been going on since Waka Flocka got famous in 09, but none of the people that were with Flocka fame wise, are still making music in 2017. Dave East striving to get an older generation that BUYS into him out of customer loyalty, not just a trend hopper. A cat like Meek, if he ain't careful, will be another Young Jeezy if he focused on current bangers, acting like a lost teenager. It's all about what you want out of rap, cause the nature of this current trap shyt is about to change in a couple of years IMO. Cats ain't gonna be listening to the same production and same mumble raps in 2027, or even at the end of 2018.

People who get caught up in the current #1 hits, have no clue on how history works because they lack foresight.

 

[raoulduke187]

never even knew he was from NY

always thought he was from Memphis or some shyt, dude don't sound eastcoast at all

 

[wizworld]

My opinion is, music goes through phases. That "energy" shyt been going on since Waka Flocka got famous in 09, but none of the people that were with Flocka fame wise, are still making music in 2017. Dave East striving to get an older generation that BUYS into him out of customer loyalty, not just a trend hopper. A cat like Meek, if he ain't careful, will be another Young Jeezy if he focused on current bangers, acting like a lost teenager. It's all about what you want out of rap, cause the nature of this current trap shyt is about to change in a couple of years IMO. Cats ain't gonna be listening to the same production and same mumble raps in 2027, or even at the end of 2018.

People who get caught up in the current #1 hits, have no clue on how history works because they lack foresight.

??? Dave East would cut off a finger to be the next Young Jeezy. Jeezy had a 4 year run where he made a lot of really good music (that people still listen to), plus generated 10's of millions of dollars in revenue. And Meek is already 5 years strong, with a solid core fanbase. I don't think he has much to worry about. You're talking about people who've had tremendous success in this game, if people care about you for five years after you got hot, you've done really well.

I honestly think it's incredibly difficult for a new/newer artist to generate a lot of rap based revenue if he's relying on the support of an older audience. And that's perfectly fine if Dave East isn't really worried about the money like that.

 

[Wild self]

??? Dave East would cut off a finger to be the next Young Jeezy. Jeezy had a 4 year run where he made a lot of really good music (that people still listen to), plus generated 10's of millions of dollars in revenue. And Meek is already 5 years strong, with a solid core fanbase. I don't think he has much to worry about. You're talking about people who've had tremendous success in this game, if people care about you for five years after you got hot, you've done really well.

I honestly think it's incredibly difficult for a new/newer artist to generate a lot of rap based revenue if he's relying on the support of an older audience. And that's perfectly fine if Dave East isn't really worried about the money like that.

Yeah, posse cuts were always a great way for new stars to break out historically. Dave East need to do one with Nas, Ghostface, Jada, and a bunch of top tier vets to get his name bubbling. That's what the rap game is missing sorely.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

??? Dave East would cut off a finger to be the next Young Jeezy. Jeezy had a 4 year run where he made a lot of really good music (that people still listen to), plus generated 10's of millions of dollars in revenue. And Meek is already 5 years strong, with a solid core fanbase. I don't think he has much to worry about. You're talking about people who've had tremendous success in this game, if people care about you for five years after you got hot, you've done really well.

I honestly think it's incredibly difficult for a new/newer artist to generate a lot of rap based revenue if he's relying on the support of an older audience. And that's perfectly fine if Dave East isn't really worried about the money like that.

Dude was tripping

Jeezy still dropping today and going #1. He just did it with trap or die and that was a mixtape series. Outsold meek who was #2 with a mixtape series.

Dave east wishes he could have that 10 years from now or even 5 or shyt. Right now he ain't doing it

 

[wizworld]

I don't see the correlation between the images they portrayed and how popular they were in Harlem

It's not like their videos are of them on a boat with model bytches or of them hugging the block with a bunch of gangstas

As a collective they were not outside like that. If you went to the places throughout Harlem where the "Peso" video was shot, posted up and asked random dudes about ASAP... many of them wouldn't know who you're talking about. Show them the video, and they'd be like "It's a cool video, but they're not out here like that". It was a show.
"Let's find an alleyway to have a fake dice game, everyone has to take their shirt off for this scene"
"Let's do a shot of the Big L mural"
"Ok we have to do a corner scene now, I'm going to get a quarter water to make it more authentic"
"Let's do a shot at Jimbo's, I don't even eat meat, but everyone loves Jimbo's. It would be even iller if we put 40's on the table, like we can just do anything in here we want"
There are/were some very creative people on their team. But they didn't have that local support.

But if you went to the area GS9 reps and did the same, people would KNOW who they are, and say that's how they really act.

This doesn't have anything to do with the quality of ASAP Rocky's music, and the fact that he didn't get as much grassroots support as some others hasn't negatively affected his career much. It's just hard for anyone coming out of the crew outside of Rocky and Ferg to make serious noise, because they never had that grassroots love.

 

[BigMan]

Yeah, posse cuts were always a great way for new stars to break out historically. Dave East need to do one with Nas, Ghostface, Jada, and a bunch of top tier vets to get his name bubbling. That's what the rap game is missing sorely.

Dave east def does NOT need to do that

 

[BigMan]

As a collective they were not outside like that. If you went to the places throughout Harlem where the "Peso" video was shot, posted up and asked random dudes about ASAP... many of them wouldn't know who you're talking about. Show them the video, and they'd be like "It's a cool video, but they're not out here like that". It was a show.
"Let's find an alleyway to have a fake dice game, everyone has to take their shirt off for this scene"
"Let's do a shot of the Big L mural"
"Ok we have to do a corner scene now, I'm going to get a quarter water to make it more authentic"
"Let's do a shot at Jimbo's, I don't even eat meat, but everyone loves Jimbo's. It would be even iller if we put 40's on the table, like we can just do anything in here we want"
There are/were some very creative people on their team. But they didn't have that local support.

But if you went to the area GS9 reps and did the same, people would KNOW who they are, and say that's how they really act.

This doesn't have anything to do with the quality of ASAP Rocky's music, and the fact that he didn't get as much grassroots support as some others hasn't negatively affected his career much. It's just hard for anyone coming out of the crew outside of Rocky and Ferg to make serious noise, because they never had that grassroots love.

I get it but I still don't see how it relates to support
Nothing in the video is outlandish IMO
Unless you are suggesting they all stayed at home all the time which isn't true

 

[wizworld]

I get it but I still don't see how it relates to support
Nothing in the video is outlandish IMO
Unless you are suggesting they all stayed at home all the time which isn't true

This whole post is about "Why NYC never got behind ASAP". My opinion is that they were national BEFORE they were local. And I was using the imagery in their videos to support this theory. The video shows some kids who are running around the hood, being badazzes, doing whatever they want. Collectively, that's not them. Try rolling up in Jimbo's with a 40 ounce in your hand and see the response you get. What they are doing is the textbook definition of "outlandish", because locally, people were unfamiliar with them.

 

[ogc163]

Yeah, posse cuts were always a great way for new stars to break out historically. Dave East need to do one with Nas, Ghostface, Jada, and a bunch of top tier vets to get his name bubbling. That's what the rap game is missing sorely.

Say what?

 

[DougFunnY]

The hood wasnt rocking with that whole pseudo gangsta/hipster wave. Mainstream media tried their hardest to prop them up. They never had the streets on smash the way the 9 did when they dropped shmoney shmurda tape, or the way HBTL currently does. Asap was a media creation.

 

[Cynic]

I get the differences between him and L (Rocky is more obviously influenced by the 00's than 90's), but you really compared him and Mase as if they don't have ANYTHING in common as far as Mainstream appeal goes?


It's not like Hip-Hop Heads went to Mase for bars and concepts like L, or storytelling and bangers like Cam. shyt, the beat to "Multiply" sounds like a modern version of something Mase would've hopped on back then.

@SirBiatch put above all Harlem rappers...both past and present
He's not saying they are different...he literally put Rocky as the gold standard
of Uptown rap and greater than his predecessors....

If you remember Mase on "Harlem World" didn't just have East Coast producers either.
Yam$ was the co-founder and Clams is just one producer that made fire for him. Logically, how does one producer make Rocky "not good at all", when he rapped over many better beats than Casino's?

Well compare Rocky with and without Clams ? There you have it
Without the eerie dream-pop/shoe-gazing backdrop Rocky is just well.... bland

I don't stan that nikka either (he's a great artist but has no classics to me), but low-key you nikkas sound like you hating just because he isn't some low level, basic everyday New York rapper.

He comes from Cam's cloth of crude and insensitive humor, and the tendency to be on all the lastest fashion trends.

The n!gga I quoted thinks Rocky's better than even Cam himself

Lowkey you sound like you're @SirBiatch big brother or lover ?
This post was addressed to him, I don't know what relationship you have to Yoshi

For example on "Max B", you nikkas don't hear the Dipset influence besides him paying homage? The way he rhymes too in a technical sense in general comes from that style. Rocky is one of the illest emcees that are expert rhymers in schemes and flows right now. Sometimes, you guys underestimate his style and overlook the shyt besides the Texas stuff that makes him a true NY rapper in essence.

I got no problem with the Texas sound.....

illest MCs ? He's not in the Top 5... His flow is nice
and the braggadacio speaks to me being from Uptown and all but
he's in no way form or fashion an expert in rhyme schemes... he's a creative not a technical guy

and it shows

Considering who is running the NS, he is easily Top 5: Cole is lightskin, Kendrick is mostly for West Coast dikkriders who never heard of my region before, KRIT runs all facets of the South, and Drake is a Hip-Hop Bieber (process that thought for a second).

Except he isn't
Drake, Kendrick, Cole, Big Sean, Future, Meek then him and Wale
Bieber can actually sing breh...
Future runs the South ....stop it

He is way more consistent than Cole, more skilled and lyrical than Drake, music bumps more than Kendrick, is as exciting as KRIT is.
He has is own aura too, which makes him standout in charisma and style.

Cole been consistent for the last 3 projects...
More skilled than Drake at what ? ...
Kendrick is a better story teller and lyricist
He's not as exciting as Future or melancholic
Travis Scott has his own aura too and guess what ...he's actually from Texas

Sure he isn't 100% typical NY, but name one who hasn't sold out or tried new things.

I don't give a fukk about Typical NY... I like Dave East but he's too concerned
with respect from old heads

I like Rocky... the guy is a tumblr savant plant who lost steam when Yams and Clams disappeared
That's just what it is... he's not that bad and he's not that great ... Too busy modelling and getting
beat up by Australian cacs to progress