Yvette Carnell vs Boyce Watkins. Yvette sets it on Boyce

[Apollo Creed]

No really bruh please enlighten me. Who in the private sector is going to take it upon themselves to lift 10,960,000 black families out of poverty? Or can we just bootstraps our way out of that one?

You are literally having a convo with yourself about nothing. Why you quote me and then not even answer the question in the post you quoted is beyond me.

You are dismissed.

 

[marcuz]

The irony of you cosigning this chic and her "there are no solutions outside of white daddy" stance is that according to your definition of blackness she doesn't meet the criteria You're up here riding tooth and nail for this chic when you claim she wouldn't even be eligible for te reparations that you're wishing on a star for whites to give.
Everything about you is nonsesical. You're a fukking clown.

i keep seeing this strawman placed upon those who believe in reparations. for everyone who agrees with these sentiments, answer me a simple question:

do you believe blacks are owed reparations in this country? (yes/no)

keep in mind, even boyce agrees that black people are owed reparations. so tell me this, gravity. owning less than 2% of land, resources, wealth in this country. how do we as a collective thrive, without government intervention?


as for your hypersensitivity towards the one drop rule, i don't give a damn who is in support of black reparations. i'll support cacs who are in favor of reparations for blacks. if that leaves yvette high yellow ass at the door, so be it.

 

[David_TheMan]

No really bruh please enlighten me. Who in the private sector is going to take it upon themselves to lift 10,960,000 black families out of poverty? Or can we just bootstraps our way out of that one?

All blacks don't need to be pulled out of poverty, only 23% of black households are in poverty, the majority 77% aren't. Stop buying into this twisted version of black americans, that we are lowly poor and inept and suffering monetarily when it isn't actually the case. Disproportionate doesn't mean majority of blacks.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The irony of you cosigning this chic and her "there are no solutions outside of white daddy" stance is that according to your definition of blackness she doesn't meet the criteria You're up here riding tooth and nail for this chic when you claim she wouldn't even be eligible for the reparations that you're wishing on a star for whites to give.
Everything about you is nonsensical. You're a fukking clown.

Dudes are weird. Same dude would be in every thread about Tariq talking about how wack Tariq is, yet tuned in every time Tariq did a show. At this point these posters are just here to waste time. They talk about people using "data" and posting "hard cold facts", yet can't post data aka video time stamps of these people posting their solutions or even using the words "we must fight" in a video. They way these cats talk they should be able to post any one of the hundreds of videos as their proof.

 

[marcuz]

Dudes are weird. Same dude would be in every thread about Tariq talking about how wack Tariq is, yet tuned in every time Tariq did a show. At this point these posters are just here to waste time. They talk about people using "data" and posting "hard cold facts", yet can't post data aka video time stamps of these people posting their solutions or even using the words "we must fight" in a video. They way these cats talk they should be able to post any one of the hundreds of videos as their proof.

im willing to bet i've donated more to tariq and supported more of his projects. i have receipt as well

 

[marcuz]

All blacks don't need to be pulled out of poverty, only 23% of black households are in poverty, the majority 77% aren't. Stop buying into this twisted version of black americans, that we are lowly poor and inept and suffering monetarily when it isn't actually the case. Disproportionate doesn't mean majority of blacks.

income isn't wealth though, black people need WEALTH. most blacks are a couple of pay checks away from being out on the streets.


and i question how those stat are gathered as well. source please

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

Well the various forms of economic socialism have shown to be nothing but backdoors to government totalitarianism. On top of that, if you want to claim capitalism is exploitative its voluntarilly exploitative, while the exploitation in socialism is very muched forced and coercive.

But hey if you want to give the elite the power to put you in work camps, and think that elite that had no problem holding you in slavery is going to drop their racist ideals and not put you back in those work camps for the benefit of the majority, except this time under the banner of brotherhood and for the good of the "state" thats on you.

Actually, you're probably confusing them with Communism.

Because Belgium, Canada, Ireland Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway don't share those historic atrocities committed under bourgeois Stalinism or the regime of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. It's not like Cuba is renown for it's medical field.

I mean you may be right, France having 30-32 hour work weeks is surely a sign of government gone completely haywire.

 

[KingSlime]

All blacks don't need to be pulled out of poverty, only 23% of black households are in poverty, the majority 77% aren't. Stop buying into this twisted version of black americans, that we are lowly poor and inept and suffering monetarily when it isn't actually the case. Disproportionate doesn't mean majority of blacks.

When did I ever say it did? We aren't all in poverty but damn near all of us are in the working poor, in extremely volatile financial situations than can flip on a dime. Who is going to address and remedy the issue that we are disproportionately the poorest demographic in this country, and the average wealth of a black household is only $4,900 and an unemployment rate of 18.7%? Who has the power to change these things?

 

[David_TheMan]

income isn't wealth though, black people need WEALTH. most blacks are a couple of pay checks away from being out on the streets.


and, and i question how those stat are gathered as well. source please

Didn't say income is wealth.
How do you accumulate wealth? You need income and you save and invest that income, this creates wealth or stored assets.
Most americans live pay check to pay check, not just blacks, that said its a personal financial decision to save, that isn't structural.
Stats came from 2014 US Census
BlackDemographics.com | POVERTY

 

[David_TheMan]

Actually, you're probably confusing them with Communism.

Because Belgium, Canada, Ireland Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway don't share those historic atrocities committed under bourgeois Stalinism or the regime of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. It's not like Cuba is renown for it's medical field.

I mean you may be right, France might have to actually increase their work week from 30-32 hours to our standard if they wanna keep people safe and deter possible attacks,

No I said various forms of socialism and I meant just that, communism in the economic sense is a form of socialism, initially called Bolshevik socialism to distinguish itself for other forms of socialism, like the nationalist socialism, of the Nazis or Musolini, compared to the internalionist leanings of Bolshevik or communists.

US is socialist as well its a corporatism nation like musulini, but we are digressing. All that to say I don't look at the US system of economics as capitalist because it isn't. It corporatist or socialist in the fascist strain.

 

[marcuz]

Didn't say income is wealth.
How do you accumulate wealth? You need income and you save and invest that income, this creates wealth or stored assets.
Most americans live pay check to pay check, not just blacks, that said its a personal financial decision to save, that isn't structural.
Stats came from 2014 US Census
BlackDemographics.com | POVERTY

according to this, it's basically government programs keeping many black families a float though

 

[marcuz]

also, does anyone else see the irony in acting like government intervention is a begging. when the only reason we have a boomer black middle class is because affirmative action programs?

 

[David_TheMan]

according to this, it's basically government programs keeping many black families a float though

Does it really?

The amount of African Americans who receive public assistance varies greatly depending on the type of assistance. According to the U.S. Census Bureau 14.5% of African Americans receive housing assistance including government housing or section 8 housing while 2.5% receive TANF cash assistance (formerly referred to as welfare checks). All of these statistics include those who receive benefits or those covered under the allotment of someone else’s benefits which does not always include everyone who lives in the household. The largest benefits received by African Americans include the 29% receiving Medicaid health insurance and 30% of African Americans who receive SNAP benefits (Food Stamps). About 42% of African Americans (largely children) received some sort of public assistance.

85.5 % don't receive housing assistance
97.5% don't get welfare checks
71% don't recieve Medicaid
70% don't get food stamps
68% don't receive food stamps

 

[Gravity]

i keep seeing this strawman placed upon those who believe in reparations. for everyone who agrees with these sentiments, answer me a simple question:

do you believe blacks are owed reparations in this country? (yes/no)

keep in mind, even boyce agrees that black people are owed reparations. so tell me this, gravity. owning less than 2% of land, resources, wealth in this country. how do we as a collective thrive, without government intervention?

It's not a straw man. "There are no solutions outside of white intervention" is a verbatim quote. Anybody who thinks like that doesn't believe in black empowerment.

Of course we're owed reparations. We aren't going to get it tho. We can't even get them to stop oppressing us in the present let alone get them to make amends for what they've done in the past. Like seriously, what part of that don't you get?

You're in a fantasy land with this reparations bullshyt. White people just elected trump to re-establish open overt white supremacy. There will be no reparations. Even the democrats aren't going to give you reparations. It's a pipe dream. Why can't you accept that reality? This conversation can't go any further until you can come to an understanding that whites are never going to truly assist us in empowering ourselves.

as for your hypersensitivity towards the one drop rule, i don't give a damn who is in support of black reparations. i'll support cacs who are in favor of reparations for blacks. if that leaves yvette high yellow ass at the door, so be it.

You're the one hypersensitive to race that's why you're so nonsensical and hypocritical. My point wasn't about reparations, you've just deflected. My point is about you riding for someone who you don't think is black against someone who you do claim as black. My point is you're riding for the liberal white c00n ideology over the pro-black conservative ideology.

You're a mess dude. You're all over the place. When you're caping for Carnell in the YouTube video comments, make sure to tell her that you don't consider her black and that you think that she should be ineligible for reparations if they were given out.

 

[marcuz]

Does it really?

85.5 % don't receive housing assistance
97.5% don't get welfare checks
71% don't recieve Medicaid
70% don't get food stamps
68% don't receive food stamps

41% receiving atleast some form of public assistance? yeah, that's pretty bad. especially considering many of these programs are headed on the chopping block by our current administration.