Zach Wilson has lost the Jets locker room, Update: Benched, It's Over

[Joe Sixpack]

Listen… He may very well srink. But this organization is not the place to determine that.

I bet you Geno was here telling him to get the fukk out!

True.

So lemme ask you what is his ceiling

If everything is perfect (which it NEVER is in the NFL) what do you think he could be?

 

[Piff Perkins]

mike LaFleur is going to be shown the door

Wayne Chrebet has hella pull in the Jets org, and hes NEVER chirped like this.

He shouldn’t be coaching Zach. Been telling yall hes the biggest issue.

I noticed this when you guys played us (Lions). Wilson put up some yards but the offense failed to score for most of the game. Lots of boring or straight forward play calling.

End of the day the Jets have to try to fix Wilson. I think he's finished but you gotta get a new OC and try something. Unless of course the Jets are gonna try to go get someone like Carr.

 

[NYC Rebel]

True.

So lemme ask you what is his ceiling

If everything is perfect (which it NEVER is in the NFL) what do you think he could be?

I think he’s a good ass athlete with a big arm. His mechanics are out of whack. He’s not that tall so he will always be somewhat limited but he needs to be in an offense that utilizes his athleticism.

It aint here.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I think he’s a good ass athlete with a big arm. His mechanics are out of whack. He’s not that tall so he will always be somewhat limited but he needs to be in an offense that utilizes his athleticism.

It aint here.

You would be comfortable with a QB with his measureables?

Would he be the type that you would have run your team?

What type of QB do you prefer

 

[BrehWyatt]

Zach Wilson is TRASH

Accept it

Two things can be true. The Jets OC is wack and Zack Wilson is a BUM

Jesus

Fair. I think the Jets gave up him WAY TOO FAST -- as did the team -- but to this point he hasn't shown a lot worth committing to.

I'll say this though. The last Jets games I've sat down and watched were against the Jaguars and to a degree the Seahawks.

The biggest problem I saw with Zach in that Jags game was a total lack of confidence that manifested itself in him clearly trying too hard not to fukk up.

Of course, he has erratic accuracy/mechanics and questionable decision-making under duress. You can coach a good bit of this out of him, but that Jags game was terrible. EVERY passing play Zach was asked to run felt like a long-developing play where it felt like no one got open or pressure got him off his spots. Why would you do that when you have no run game to speak of, you know your OL is overmatched, and your QB struggles when he is forced to create?

I also noticed that Mike White and even that Streveler cat got plays and scripts more tailored to what they do best. You're supposed to do that with QBs but you can't bemoan a guy's inability to hit the easy stuff if the script you have him in isn't loaded with said stuff. Considering the Jets are trying to be Niners East, this requires a dominant rushing attack (which doesn't exist without Breece) and a West Coast/timing passer that can distribute to weapons who create after the catch (and I do not believe Zach is a West Coast style of QB).

TL;DR - Zach seems best suited for a team with great coaching and a top-tier run game/moving pocket that sets him up to punish defenses downfield off of playaction, bootlegs and/or the occasional QB keeper.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Fair. I think the Jets gave up him WAY TOO FAST -- as did the team -- but to this point he hasn't shown a lot worth committing to.

I'll say this though. The last Jets games I've sat down and watched were against the Jaguars and to a degree the Seahawks.

The biggest problem I saw with Zach in that Jags game was a total lack of confidence that manifested itself in him clearly trying too hard not to fukk up.

Of course, he has erratic accuracy/mechanics and questionable decision-making under duress. You can coach a good bit of this out of him, but that Jags game was terrible. EVERY passing play Zach was asked to run felt like a long-developing play where it felt like no one got open or pressure got him off his spots. Why would you do that when you have no run game to speak of, you know your OL is overmatched, and your QB struggles when he is forced to create?

I also noticed that Mike White and even that Streveler cat got plays and scripts more tailored to what they do best. You're supposed to do that with QBs but you can't bemoan a guy's inability to hit the easy stuff if the script you have him in isn't loaded with said stuff. Considering the Jets are trying to be Niners East, this requires a dominant rushing attack (which doesn't exist without Breece) and a West Coast/timing passer that can distribute to weapons who create after the catch (and I do not believe Zach is a West Coast style of QB).

TL;DR - Zach seems best suited for a team with great coaching and a top-tier run game/moving pocket that sets him up to punish defenses downfield off of playaction, bootlegs and/or the occasional QB keeper.

Yeah I think like alot of young QBs except for Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes, this guy needs a powerful run game to flourish..

I don’t like his intangibles though. He’s young but right now his confidence is GONE

 

[BrehWyatt]

Yeah I think like alot of young QBs except for Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes, this guy needs a powerful run game to flourish..

I don’t like his intangibles though. He’s young but right now his confidence is GONE

I firmly believe the team soured on him and noped out when he had the chance to fall on the sword in that 10-3 Pats loss, and he didn't do it. That told them he isn't Franchise QB material because the Franchise QB ALWAYS falls on the sword in defeat. No matter how he played.


Since having the QB1 job snatched from him the first time, he's said and done all the right things, but he did not play well and I am fairly certain when he's in the huddle his teammates are all . I think Wilson and Elijah Moore are outstanding players but it got to the point where -- as straight a shooter as Garrett is -- it almost felt like they'd rather lose with good stats than win with bad stats.

Nobody in that building believes in him -- and my philosophy is that if nothing else, you start the QB that the rest of the team will rally behind and fight harder for, talent be damned because at the end of the day, any numbers he puts up are reliant on every one executing around him -- and the coaching he needs for his development is not in the building.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Prolly been mentioned, but Natrone Means is always my favorite random RB

Lmfao wrong thread

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I firmly believe the team soured on him and noped out when he had the chance to fall on the sword in that 10-3 Pats loss, and he didn't do it. That told them he isn't Franchise QB material because the Franchise QB ALWAYS falls on the sword in defeat. No matter how he played.


Since having the QB1 job snatched from him the first time, he's said and done all the right things, but he did not play well and I am fairly certain when he's in the huddle his teammates are all . I think Wilson and Elijah Moore are outstanding players but it got to the point where -- as straight a shooter as Garrett is -- it almost felt like they'd rather lose with good stats than win with bad stats.

Nobody in that building believes in him -- and my philosophy is that if nothing else, you start the QB that the rest of the team will rally behind and fight harder for, talent be damned because at the end of the day, any numbers he puts up are reliant on every one executing around him -- and the coaching he needs for his development is not in the building.

Thats what I’m saying


They not fukkin with this midget ass mormon Utah white kid

 

[VegetasHairline]

Jets back QB Wilson 'through hell or high water'

 

[L@CaT]

mean while even in defeat Sam Darnold looks 100X better than Zach Wilson. @NYCRebel Buuu buut Zach is better than Sam LMAO

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Jets coach basically saying that Zach Wilson doesn't love football

 

[In The Zone '98]

Jets coach basically saying that Zach Wilson doesn't love football

Not ready to lead. Can't make the throws.

White Mike is ready to lead. But can't make the throws.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Not ready to lead. Can't make the throws.

White Mike is ready to lead. But can't make the throws.

White might not be the answer either but I like his intangibles

 

[Joe Sixpack]

And Wilson is too small

I need a big strong QB I'm sorry