Zach Wilson has lost the Jets locker room, Update: Benched, It's Over

[NYC Rebel]

Fair. I think the Jets gave up him WAY TOO FAST -- as did the team -- but to this point he hasn't shown a lot worth committing to.

I'll say this though. The last Jets games I've sat down and watched were against the Jaguars and to a degree the Seahawks.

The biggest problem I saw with Zach in that Jags game was a total lack of confidence that manifested itself in him clearly trying too hard not to fukk up.

Of course, he has erratic accuracy/mechanics and questionable decision-making under duress. You can coach a good bit of this out of him, but that Jags game was terrible. EVERY passing play Zach was asked to run felt like a long-developing play where it felt like no one got open or pressure got him off his spots. Why would you do that when you have no run game to speak of, you know your OL is overmatched, and your QB struggles when he is forced to create?

I also noticed that Mike White and even that Streveler cat got plays and scripts more tailored to what they do best. You're supposed to do that with QBs but you can't bemoan a guy's inability to hit the easy stuff if the script you have him in isn't loaded with said stuff. Considering the Jets are trying to be Niners East, this requires a dominant rushing attack (which doesn't exist without Breece) and a West Coast/timing passer that can distribute to weapons who create after the catch (and I do not believe Zach is a West Coast style of QB).

TL;DR - Zach seems best suited for a team with great coaching and a top-tier run game/moving pocket that sets him up to punish defenses downfield off of playaction, bootlegs and/or the occasional QB keeper.

I noticed this when you guys played us (Lions). Wilson put up some yards but the offense failed to score for most of the game. Lots of boring or straight forward play calling.

End of the day the Jets have to try to fix Wilson. I think he's finished but you gotta get a new OC and try something. Unless of course the Jets are gonna try to go get someone like Carr.

fukk carr. Hes a sucka.

I don’t have a problem with Zach’s decision making. Especially after watching Kurt Warner go over the jet schemes. Play after play he kept showing how the routes didn’t give quarterbacks any opportunities because the routes were drawn up so poorly.

A lot of his pics came out of desperation. The game that did it for me was the patriots game when Mike LaFleur expected Wilson to read the intermediate spacing of the patriots safeties. You don’t put that on a second year quarterback versus a Belichick defense. You don’t do that looking at what Belichek has done to young quarterbacks, Yet that is what Mike LaFleur’s offense expected of him that game. Asking a qb with 17 NFL starts expected to Read beli’s safeties…..the best coach in NFL history as disguising his safeties.

The second half was worse because when Zack was picking up yards scrambling when those routes weren’t available, the patriots put a spy on him and he got sacked four times in the second half. The best throw Zac made was an RPO that Mims dropped. Mike LaFleur did not call another one for the rest of the game.

And the next week he was benched.

Hot garbage.

This is why I don’t argue a lot of times in here about football. A lot of the bad decision making people speak on comes down to poor schemes. And we dont have play design or scheme debates in the Coli. Everyone is on some novice end result thing in here.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Look at what this clown said two hours ago.



He is proving a point I have long made in here that he does not know how to utilize or understand player personnel

If yall not seeing that this OC is the bigger issue, yall just dont want to get it.

This dude is hot trash and is likely being let go.

 

[BrehWyatt]

fukk carr. Hes a sucka.

I don’t have a problem with Zach’s decision making. Especially after watching Kurt Warner go over the jet schemes. Play after play he kept showing how the routes didn’t give quarterbacks any opportunities because the routes were drawn up so poorly.

A lot of his pics came out of desperation. The game that did it for me was the patriots game when Mike LaFleur expected Wilson to read the intermediate spacing of the patriots safeties. You don’t put that on a second year quarterback versus a Belichick defense. You don’t do that looking at what Belichek has done to young quarterbacks, Yet that is what Mike LaFleur’s offense expected of him that game. Asking a qb with 17 NFL starts expected to Read beli’s safeties…..the best coach in NFL history as disguising his safeties.

The second half was worse because when Zack was picking up yards scrambling when those routes weren’t available, the patriots put a spy on him and he got sacked four times in the second half. The best throw Zac made was an RPO that Mims dropped. Mike LaFleur did not call another one for the rest of the game.

And the next week he was benched.

Hot garbage.

This is why I don’t argue a lot of times in here about football. A lot of the bad decision making people speak on comes down to poor schemes. And we dont have play design or scheme debates in the Coli. Everyone is on some novice end result thing in here.

The bolded is bad decision-making, breh. Every QB at this level has to learn to throw it away and live to fight another down here and there instead of trying to force a trash or covered play to work. That may be harder for Wilson as his college tape suggested that his first instinct is to play hero ball and extend plays as long as he can, but he's got to learn it. Either way, I still think him not taking accountability for the 10-3 loss to the Pats had more to do with his benching than his on-field play.

Beyond that? I mostly agree with you that the OC is a major problem and it needs to be addressed. Doesn't mean Wilson gets off scot-free as far as having his own work to do to get better.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The bolded is bad decision-making, breh. Every QB at this level has to learn to throw it away and live to fight another down here and there instead of trying to force a trash or covered play to work. That may be harder for Wilson as his college tape suggested that his first instinct is to play hero ball and extend plays as long as he can, but he's got to learn it. Either way, I still think him not taking accountability for the 10-3 loss to the Pats had more to do with his benching than his on-field play.

Beyond that? I mostly agree with you that the OC is a major problem and it needs to be addressed. Doesn't mean Wilson gets off scot-free as far as having his own work to do to get better.

No it’s not. I want to have a playcall/skin debate with you. I’m tired of having these conversations around end results. You guys are here never talk play design. You never talk scheme.

I’m talking scheme. I’m talking when you have a slot receiver running a deep pulse route but you have the underneath receiver running up field 20 yards, bringing the guy covering him into the play And getting the interception. You are the type who will hold that as a Zach Wilson problem. I call it poor scheme.

We don’t talk football in here that way so we are not going to agree. Play design is trash. Kurt Warner says it. I see the film and I see it. I would never put a young quarterback in a position he hast to read Belichick disguised safeties. That’s poor scheme. You guys only look at and results, not plays. We don’t have those discussions in here. And it’s really tiresome to have football discussions with folks who don’t get to that deep level.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

No it’s not. I want to have a playcall/skin debate with you. I’m tired of having these conversations around end results. You guys are here never talk play design. You never talk scheme.

I’m talking scheme. I’m talking when you have a slot receiver running a deep pulse route but you have the underneath receiver running up field 20 yards, bringing the guy covering him into the play And getting the interception. You are the type who will hold that as a Zach Wilson problem. I call it poor scheme.

We don’t talk football in here that way so we are not going to agree. Play design is trash. Kurt Warner says it. I see the film and I see it. I would never put a young quarterback in a position he hast to read Belichick disguised safeties. That’s poor scheme. You guys only look at and results, not plays. We don’t have those discussions in here. And it’s really tiresome to have football discussions with folks who don’t get to that deep level.

Then stop talking football in here

Nobody agrees with you

Zach Wilson is small and undersized and doesn’t know what he’s doin

He’s garbage

 

[NYC Rebel]

Then stop talking football in here

Nobody agrees with you

Zach Wilson is small and undersized and doesn’t know what he’s doin

He’s garbage

Of course no one‘s going to agree. You don’t care about play design. Stop lying or pretending that you will sit there and watch play scheme for a team you are not even a fan of. At the end of the day, the way I’m see football, it’s going to be the way these guys are examined. And a lot of these professionals who have a vested in what the Jets are doing (not you) are now coming around to it.

It’s to the point where this clown OC “admits” that Zach should’ve sat down. I long said in here that if you put a quarterback with such poor mechanics on the field, that is a coaching problem for allowing him to even play. That has nothing to do with scheme.

continue to keep count On who is agreeing with me. That’s your job, not mines. You need that validation. I’m seeing a clown OC now on the defensive. I’m seeing Jets former players with pull calling him the problem and saying verbatim what I have been saying in here from jump. Keeping count of who agrees with me in here would be dumb because most of these cats don’t have the football interest that goes beyond reading an interception stat.

I have never had a play scheme discussion with you when it comes to football. Never. That isnt your interest, so what I’m talking on is like hieroglyphs to you. You and most fans are only there for end results while I talk about how play design helps arrive to one. That’s where I am in watching this game now and only for the team I see every week. I don’t do the pretend thing for teams I don’t watch like you are.

Wheres the lie?

You and most people in here are fully capable of watching football to that degree. I’m no smarter than anyone else , but you don’t but rather argue as if you have

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Of course no one‘s going to agree. You don’t care about play design. Stop lying or pretending that you will sit there and watch play scheme for a team you are not even a fan of. At the end of the day, the way I’m see football, it’s going to be the way these guys are examined. And a lot of these professionals who have a vested in what the Jets are doing (not you) are now coming around to it.

It’s to the point where this clown OC “admits” that Zach should’ve sat down. I long said in here that if you put a quarterback with such poor mechanics on the field, that is a coaching problem for allowing him to even play. That has nothing to do with scheme.

continue to keep count On who is agreeing with me. That’s your job, not mines. You need that validation. I’m seeing a clown OC now on the defensive. I’m seeing Jets former players with pull calling him the problem and saying verbatim what I have been saying in here from jump. Keeping count of who agrees with me in here would be dumb because most of these cats don’t have the football interest that goes beyond reading an interception stat.

I have never had a play scheme discussion with you when it comes to football. Never. That isnt your interest, so what I’m talking on is like hieroglyphs to you. You and most fans are only there for end results while I talk about how play design helps arrive to one. That’s where I am in watching this game now and only for the team I see every week. I don’t do the pretend thing for teams I don’t watch like you are.

Wheres the lie?

You and most people in here are fully capable of watching football to that degree. I’m no smarter than anyone else , but you don’t but rather argue as if you have

Why the fukk are teams takin these little midget ass QBs in the top 5 in the first place the Jets fukked up just off the strength a that alone

If I’m gettin fired I’m gettin fired for takin the 6’3-6’6 physical marvel with all the measurables not some midget ass BYU coddled entitled soft QB

He can’t make it here because he’s soft!

He’s too small and he’s soft and he’s from fukkin Utah and he’s never been around any black people heavy until he was like 17 or some shyt

Dude is trash and you keep wasting energy talkin about this little Mormon midget ass CAC

 

[BrehWyatt]

No it’s not. I want to have a playcall/skin debate with you. I’m tired of having these conversations around end results. You guys are here never talk play design. You never talk scheme.

I’m talking scheme. I’m talking when you have a slot receiver running a deep pulse route but you have the underneath receiver running up field 20 yards, bringing the guy covering him into the play And getting the interception. You are the type who will hold that as a Zach Wilson problem. I call it poor scheme.

We don’t talk football in here that way so we are not going to agree. Play design is trash. Kurt Warner says it. I see the film and I see it. I would never put a young quarterback in a position he hast to read Belichick disguised safeties. That’s poor scheme. You guys only look at and results, not plays. We don’t have those discussions in here. And it’s really tiresome to have football discussions with folks who don’t get to that deep level.

I feel like in earlier posts, I pointed out how the Jaguars game was the moment I realized how bad the Jets offense was and that for whatever reason, the plays called while Wilson was out there felt very long-developing and ineffective. And it did not help that his confidence was gone.

When I see Mike White play, frankly it feels like he gets a lot of quick-hitting easy routes underneath that seemed to cater more to his strengths. I have not seen a consistent effort on the Jets coaches' part to develop a script or scheme that maximizes what Zach does best, and that's bad coaching.

As far as the bolded, it becomes a Zach Wilson problem if he is able to diagnose what's happening and still decides to force a throw that is not there. I agree with you that his OC has not put him in a position to consistently succeed. I agree that the Jets offense has been exposed as ass (and it has been ass ever since Breece went down).

However, just because the play/route concept is trash doesn't mean the QB has to try to make it work anyway. Go somewhere else with the ball, tuck and run... do anything but try to force a bad play to become a good play when you recognize it is a bad play. Then you go to the sideline and tell your playcaller "Coach, this shyt isn't working. We need to go in a different direction to get our guys open."

TL;DR - Yes, the scheme/coaching he is getting is a major problem. However, he has plenty to work on in his game regardless of the shytty scheme he is in.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Why the fukk are teams takin these little midget ass QBs in the top 5 in the first place the Jets fukked up just off the strength a that alone

If I’m gettin fired I’m gettin fired for takin the 6’3-6’6 physical marvel with all the measurables not some midget ass BYU coddled entitled soft QB

He can’t make it here because he’s soft!

He’s too small and he’s soft and he’s from fukkin Utah and he’s never been around any black people heavy until he was like 17 or some shyt

Dude is trash and you keep wasting energy talkin about this little Mormon midget ass CAC

All this name-calling. I saw people say the same thing about Geno Smith during this time here when Marty Morninweig Called all streak patterns with Nelson, Cumberland, Salaa, and Kerly. Then Gino’s ability was measured on that. I’m just glad you’re not denying that you are not a scheme or play design guy. You’re not making a rooting interest argument. That’s not where I’m at. Stop with the pretending you know football discussions. this is above your head.

I repeat…. Young quarterbacks should never have the door closed on their capabilities due to nepotism hire coordinators.

Again… You know nothing… Nothing… Nothing about plays scheme or design and how it impacts football outcome.


Repeat after me… You know nothing about that. You don’t talk football like that. It’s all “rah rah” I dont like this guy/team thing.

Where is the lie?

 

[NYC Rebel]

I feel like in earlier posts, I pointed out how the Jaguars game was the moment I realized how bad the Jets offense was and that for whatever reason, the plays called while Wilson was out there felt very long-developing and ineffective. And it did not help that his confidence was gone.

When I see Mike White play, frankly it feels like he gets a lot of quick-hitting easy routes underneath that seemed to cater more to his strengths. I have not seen a consistent effort on the Jets coaches' part to develop a script or scheme that maximizes what Zach does best, and that's bad coaching.

As far as the bolded, it becomes a Zach Wilson problem if he is able to diagnose what's happening and still decides to force a throw that is not there. I agree with you that his OC has not put him in a position to consistently succeed. I agree that the Jets offense has been exposed as ass (and it has been ass ever since Breece went down).

However, just because the play/route concept is trash doesn't mean the QB has to try to make it work anyway. Go somewhere else with the ball, tuck and run... do anything but try to force a bad play to become a good play when you recognize it is a bad play. Then you go to the sideline and tell your playcaller "Coach, this shyt isn't working. We need to go in a different direction to get our guys open."

TL;DR - Yes, the scheme/coaching he is getting is a major problem. However, he has plenty to work on in his game regardless of the shytty scheme he is in.

At no point did I say he has nothing to work on… But you really need to see what Kurt Warner was talking about. He kept complaining over and over again on different please at how he didn’t like the routes and the options it provided Jets quarterbacks. And you know Kurt is a nice guy so he didn’t want to specifically say that these places stunk…… But he pretty much was seeing it. Zach Wilson’s biggest problem or his mechanics. But the decision making I don’t have a problem with because it’s simply not a quarterback friendly offenses for a quarterback who is not a drop back passer. Zach Wilson is not a drop back pastor… He is a mobile quarterback.

And if it was only Zack who is impacted by this Oc, I wouldn’t be blaming. But this guy has failed players across the board on offense. The Jets are 29th in the league in red zone offense but you call two jump balls all year to Garrett Wilson who scored on one of them and scored at least eight touchdowns last year at Ohio State in that manner.

He is being failed too. This coach is an across the board failure

 

[Joe Sixpack]

All this name-calling. I saw people say the same thing about Geno Smith during this time here when Marty Morninweig Called all streak patterns with Nelson, Cumberland, Salaa, and Kerly. Then Gino’s ability was measured on that. I’m just glad you’re not denying that you are not a scheme or play design guy. You’re not making a rooting interest argument. That’s not where I’m at in nor do IKEA. Stop with the pretending you know football discussions. this is above your head.

I repeat…. Young quarterbacks should never have the door closed on their capabilities due to nepotism hire coordinators.

Again… You know nothing… Nothing… Nothing about plays scheme or design and how it impacts football outcome.


Repeat after me… You know nothing about that. You don’t talk football like that. It’s all “rah rah” I dont like this guy/team thing.

Where is the lie?

I know all about schemes I'm just sick and tired of seein you whine and whine about this bum ass QB

Mechanics bu bu bu backfoot bu bu bu the play call get outta here with all that shyt this guy is GARBAGE

 

[NYC Rebel]

I know all about schemes I'm just sick and tired of seein you whine and whine about this bum ass QB

Mechanics bu bu bu backfoot bu bu bu the play call get outta here with all that shyt this guy is GARBAGE

No you don’t. Where is the evidence of that anywhere in the coli? You have never talked about concepts, X factor, route trees, or anything like that. Stop pretending it is you have had that discussion show me what makes this guys offense good based on the scheme that you have seen. What have you examined?

Stop with the fake sports talk. You don’t talk about football like that. And who talks about football like that for team they don’t watch? I don’t have discussions like this on the raiders or the Panthers. I’m not watching the film. But here you are pretending that you can speak on MLF scheme. It’s fake sports talk. Its fake.

Resorting to mocking makes it clear

 

[Joe Sixpack]

No you don’t. Where is the evidence of that anywhere in the coli? You have never talked about concepts, X factor, route trees, or anything like that. Stop pretending it is you have had that discussion show me what makes this guys offense good based on the scheme that you have seen. What have you examined?

Stop with the fake sports talk. You don’t talk about football like that. And who talks about football like that for team they don’t watch? I don’t have discussions like this on the raiders or the Panthers. I’m not watching the film. But here you are pretending that you can speak on MLF scheme. It’s fake sports talk. Its fake.

Resorting to mocking makes it clear

Get outta here you think you the only one that knows shyt I dont have time to type book reports and shyt about some average ass midget and the OC

 

[BrehWyatt]

At no point did I say he has nothing to work on… But you really need to see what Kurt Warner was talking about. He kept complaining over and over again on different please at how he didn’t like the routes and the options it provided Jets quarterbacks. And you know Kurt is a nice guy so he didn’t want to specifically say that these places stunk…… But he pretty much was seeing it. Zach Wilson’s biggest problem or his mechanics. But the decision making I don’t have a problem with because it’s simply not a quarterback friendly offenses for a quarterback who is not a drop back passer. Zach Wilson is not a drop back pastor… He is a mobile quarterback.

And if it was only Zack who is impacted by this Oc, I wouldn’t be blaming. But this guy has failed players across the board on offense. The Jets are 29th in the league in red zone offense but you call two jump balls all year to Garrett Wilson who scored on one of them and scored at least eight touchdowns last year at Ohio State in that manner.

He is being failed too. This coach is an across the board failure

I took a look at some of Warner's stuff on Zach before I responded to be sure. Both sides are at fault but the Jets have had a QB development problem for a LONG time.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Get outta here you think you the only one that knows shyt I dont have time to type book reports and shyt about some average ass midget and the OC

I’m not the only one. I said you are fully capable of examining football in that manner.

I’ve said that in here. I’ve said that in here. I’ve said that in here.

It’s not rocket science… It’s about interest. You do not have the football curiosity to go that far for teams you don’t watch regularly. Why lie and act as if

you’ve paid for all 22 access
Spent time watching film
On the New York JETS?

Why lie and act as if you are in my lane who has done that? If you did so… You likely would come to the same conclusion That I have arrived too. It’s not rocket science… It’s around interest. You do not have that level of football curiosity. It’s fake