"4:44 is NOT a HIP HOP album. It's BORING" - Michael Rapaport

[SpacelySprockets]

yall shoulda never gave this cac a pass in the first place

hes real selective when it comes to his shyt.. the type of cac that'll say some questionable shyt and then try to fall back on his hip hop fan card to try to get a pass

he stay shytting on lavar/the BBB movement too.. maybe he hates the idea of black ownership being preached, this the same vulture fakkit who profited off of a documentary on a group he had nothing to do with

 

[GeeEffKay]

Probably not an album I'll go back to much compared to jays best but dude really said he doesn't care cause the beats ain't funky

 

[Mindfield333]

Mike isn't a fan of Black Excellence.

Lebron & JayZ. two black men who have enriched & empowered the lives of other black people around them

 

[Gravity]

It's a Jay album.

Jay's albums make waves regardless if they are good or bad for the simple fact that it's Jay.

People were dissecting lines from MCHG when it dropped. That album was the hot topic of conversation as well...until it wasn't.

Well Jay is nice lyrically so people are going to always dissect his lines. The reaction to this album and the magma carter aren't near the same tho. Rappers nor fans were paying homage like they're doing now. You're being disingenuous.

Album has been out less than a month. You have no idea what kind of 'impact' or 'replay value' it's going to have in the long term.

No indication that there are any classic hits off this album, let alone calling it a classic album.

Actually I've got decades of experience here I've been listening to hip hop for a long time. I know what classic hip hop music sounds like. It's not about "hits". It's not even about jay's performance. It's about the music, how the sounds and the lyrics blend together. It's a great album from all angles and I agree with those saying it's a potential classic. I dont mind saying "potential" because I do think that the ultimate test is time but I don't see anything changing after this first 3 weeks given my experience. I knew reasonable doubt was reasonable doubt after about a month or so......even amongst people who didn't quite get it yet.

 

[Sauce Dab]

I class myself as a Camel hater. I enjoy clowning him. Nas>>>

But 4:44 is AOTY

Why can't yall debate opinions without the repetitive "he white his opinion doesn't matter". There's black people with similar opinions. Hip Hop is the biggest genre in world music

Because their opinion on rap really doesn't matter. No matter how knowledgeable they are

 

[True Sinister]

Because their opinion on rap really doesn't matter. No matter how knowledgeable they are

This is racist and wrong (which is really redundant)

 

[mobbinfms]

My arguments for those albums being classic aren't based on my personal opinions. Opinions vary from person to person. To me classics are about how an album resonates with the rap community as a whole. There are plenty of albums considered classic that are just "good" in my personal opinion

I agree with all of this. I was giving my personal opinion on which of his albums were great. I assess classics the same way looking at the consensus on an album after time has passed. Putting my personal opinion to the side.

I see the arguments you are making for Vol 2, TBA and AG.
They all seem to revolve around the impact and singles. Judging them as bodies of work, Vol 2 is very polarizing now. Moreso then back then, although it certainly had its detractors then as well.

TBA is close. It's a great album, but I just don't feel enough people are on board with it being classic.

And it was remixed as much as it was because the beats were lacking.

AG was dope, but just not even in the conversation.

4 is literally a month old. Who knows what the consensus will be in 2027.

 

[Sauce Dab]

This is racist and wrong (which is really redundant)

It is? :MJCryShockedandscared:





:RussellMartBrook:

 

[spliz]

@Gravity u post JUST like this cat Doeboy from Sohh. Uncanny. Lol

 

[Gravity]

I agree with all of this. I was giving my personal opinion on which of his albums were great. I assess classics the same way looking at the consensus on an album after time has passed. Putting my personal opinion to the side.

I see the arguments you are making for Vol 2, TBA and AG.
They all seem to revolve around the impact and singles. Judging them as bodies of work, Vol 2 is very polarizing now. Moreso then back then, although it certainly had its detractors then as well.

TBA is close. It's a great album, but I just don't feel enough people are on board with it being classic.

And it was remixed as much as it was because the beats were lacking.

AG was dope, but just not even in the conversation.

4 is literally a month old. Who knows what the consensus will be in 2027.

Impact not singles. I pretty much agree that AG is not in the classic discussion.

I think that the test of time matters but it's pretty predictable. It's funny though. The "test of time" argument seems to be used selectively and from different angles. Like when it comes to RD some people try and discredit it by saying that it wasn't considered a classic when it first came out and that the only reason that it's called a classic now is cause jay told people it was a classic. Now here you are using the argument in reverse, saying that it's too early to call it a classic and we got wait to 2027. Like I said though, I know classic hiphop when I hear it a lot of times. Classic albums haven't always hit me right away after 3 weeks but I can't think of ever being wrong as in loving an album only to later think that I overreacted. I'm always pretty level headed going in and my standards are pretty high. The only other jay albums that I'd say hit me like 4:44 this early are RD and BP.

@Gravity u post JUST like this cat Doeboy from Sohh. Uncanny. Lol

Sounds like someone you have a crush on.

 

[mobbinfms]

think that the test of time matters but it's pretty predictable.

You may be right. I don't know.
I feel like people were gassing up AG the same way in 2007 and here we are ten years later agreeing it's not in the discussion.
Why the shot at @spliz though

 

[Big Boss]

 

[prophecypro]

I would have thought he'd like it

Man did a video with Jay back in the day too

 

[WickedGames]

Because their opinion on rap really doesn't matter. No matter how knowledgeable they are

Why doesn't it matter? And to who? Who does your opinion matter to apart from yourself?

You are a consumer just like any c@c. You ain't a creative. Some of your favourite rappers will listen to the white guy in their team or exec before you/ You're just a fan

 

[SunZoo]

Pretty sure everyone thinks their opinion matters...

He's been listening to hip hop as long as anyone here, probably longer than most.

People will always look to disprove anyone's opinion if it's different from theirs.

In this case Rappaport's opinion doesn't matter because he's a cac but if he were black you'd all just be calling him a c00n instead. So really there's no winning on here if you don't agree with the group think consensus.

His opinion doesn't matter because he's a troll and his biggest contribution to Hip Hop is playing a skin head in a movie with some rappers in it. fukk him.