Kyrie makes more than JimmyNo. Ainge and Stevens valued Hayward over Butler and PG. How the fukk were they gonna pay either PG or Butler and Hayward? Wasn't gonna happen. Would have been way over the cap. Kyrie has a cap friendly contract. Y'all niccas playing fantasy basketball outchea.
Boston adds 2nd round pick to finalize the Kyrie Irving trade
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tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Because you're either depressing IT's value or not playing Fultz, neither of which helps Boston.Right. It's crazy breh.
I mean if they were going to trade that pick... can someone explain why they didn't just draft Lonzo or Fultz, trade that pick Nets 2018 Pick for PG13 or Jimmy Butler, and keep IT for this next year, or trade him at the deadline to a team that might be desperate?
So Ainge values Kyrie Irving over Fultz or Ball + PG13 or Jimmy Butler AND keeping IT for next season?
Someone help me understand this fukkery that just happened
And their defense is going to take a massive hit cause they just dealt Crowder and they lost Bradley already
That and you're running out of teams that are DESPERATE, no one is desperate to make a title run. Most know by now whether they're in it or not. If there's desperation for anything, it's either to tank or to make a last ditch effort for a playoff spot. Options are very few there.
On its face, Cleveland wins this trade because they added IT, Crowder and the 2018 Nets pick and only gave up Kyrie (who already made it clear he wanted out). But there's a risk that this blows up in Cleveland's face.
Bron is pretty much gone after this season. IT will also be a free agent demanding max contract money. At best, the Cavs find a way to keep both (highly improbable), add some players (Melo/Wade),and try to compete with Golden State for the next few years
. At worst (and more likely), Bron and IT bounce after next season and Cleveland's stuck Crowder, Thompson, Love and trash.
Celtics understandably moved on from IT. He's in a contract year and has made it known that he wants the Brinks truck. But Boston cannot commit max-contract money to a soon-to-be 30 year old 5'9" PG who can't play D. At least with Kyrie, Boston gets a much younger PG that has championship experience and is as deadly a finisher as IT. Although he's not a great defender himself, it'll be easier to hide Kyrie on defense than Isaiah. And Kyrie's under contract for another 3 years.
Giving up Crowder is going to hurt Boston but now there are guaranteed minutes for Brown and Tatum to develop into contributors. And the Morris pickup is going to help fill the void left by Crowder. Cleveland's happy.
The loss of the Nets pick may be what fukks over Boston. The 2018 Nets pick isn't guaranteed to be a top 5. The Nets are by no means a playoff team but I don't think they'll be any worse than last season, especially with the addition of D'Angelo. There may be worse teams in the conference and that's before we start talking about the worst in the West. But even still, the Nets may very well be trash again.
Short term: Cleveland won. Long term: Boston won.
Bron is pretty much gone after this season. IT will also be a free agent demanding max contract money. At best, the Cavs find a way to keep both (highly improbable), add some players (Melo/Wade),and try to compete with Golden State for the next few years
. At worst (and more likely), Bron and IT bounce after next season and Cleveland's stuck Crowder, Thompson, Love and trash.Celtics understandably moved on from IT. He's in a contract year and has made it known that he wants the Brinks truck. But Boston cannot commit max-contract money to a soon-to-be 30 year old 5'9" PG who can't play D. At least with Kyrie, Boston gets a much younger PG that has championship experience and is as deadly a finisher as IT. Although he's not a great defender himself, it'll be easier to hide Kyrie on defense than Isaiah. And Kyrie's under contract for another 3 years.
Giving up Crowder is going to hurt Boston but now there are guaranteed minutes for Brown and Tatum to develop into contributors. And the Morris pickup is going to help fill the void left by Crowder. Cleveland's happy.
The loss of the Nets pick may be what fukks over Boston. The 2018 Nets pick isn't guaranteed to be a top 5. The Nets are by no means a playoff team but I don't think they'll be any worse than last season, especially with the addition of D'Angelo. There may be worse teams in the conference and that's before we start talking about the worst in the West. But even still, the Nets may very well be trash again.
Short term: Cleveland won. Long term: Boston won.
Stats are cherry picked like a motherfukker. This is why I hate ESPN
Playing with LeBron James and Kevin Love vs Avery Bradley and Al Horford
Didn't they just start?
IT being hurt wouldn't even be bad. Its not like Cleveland can't wait to max him out. They can drop cash overnight once LBJ leaves too. Move Love whenever they want (or keep him for the salary floor).
That Nets pick is huge.
He is.
Yeah, but someone would have had to go anyway to make the salaries work. ITs salary cancels out the Kyrie debt. They wouldn't have been able to keep IT, Hayward, and Butler. One would have to go or gut the team.
Boston gave up their 3 core players this offseason for Hayward who is a year younger than Isaiah creating a logjam at the 3, no defenders, and a team based on team ball with a damn near pure iso player. They're not good.On its face, Cleveland wins this trade because they added IT, Crowder and the 2018 Nets pick and only gave up Kyrie (who already made it clear he wanted out). But there's a risk that this blows up in Cleveland's face.
Bron is pretty much gone after this season. IT will also be a free agent demanding max contract money. At best, the Cavs find a way to keep both (highly improbable), add some players (Melo/Wade),and try to compete with Golden State for the next few years
Celtics understandably moved on from IT. He's in a contract year and has made it known that he wants the Brinks truck. But Boston cannot commit max-contract money to a soon-to-be 30 year old 5'9" PG who can't play D. At least with Kyrie, Boston gets a much younger PG that has championship experience and is as deadly a finisher as IT. Although he's not a great defender himself, it'll be easier to hide Kyrie on defense than Isaiah. And Kyrie's under contract for another 3 years.
Giving up Crowder is going to hurt Boston but now there are guaranteed minutes for Brown and Tatum to develop into contributors. And the Morris pickup is going to help fill the void left by Crowder. Cleveland's happy.
The loss of the Nets pick may be what fukks over Boston. The 2018 Nets pick isn't guaranteed to be a top 5. The Nets are by no means a playoff team but I don't think they'll be any worse than last season, especially with the addition of D'Angelo. There may be worse teams in the conference and that's before we start talking about the worst in the West. But even still, the Nets may very well be trash again.
Short term: Cleveland won. Long term: Boston won.
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
Broussard said if LeBron committed they could have pulled off a Paul George/Bledsoe for Kyrie. Jackson would have gone to the Pacers, Kyrie to the Suns.
It is Broussard tho
This gotta be the best trade the Cavs could get for the long term, but it gives them less of a chance to win titles, especially next year.
If Gilbert is just saying, "fukk it, Lebron's leaving and no free agents come here so I need a squad for the future", then IT-Crowder-Love-TT is a fairly exciting core to build around and THEN they get a high draft pick on top of that. They'll be exciting, score a lot of points, probably make the playoffs...but they ain't fukking going anywhere unless they hit really big in the draft.
Next year, though...I ain't feeling IT at ALL. He's putrid on defense and it's tougher for him to score in the playoffs. I really don't see him as a championship piece.
The only way this works for title hopes next year is if they ain't done with the dealing. They'd have to flip Love and/or the pick for an elite 3-and-D guard to protect IT to even dream of playing with the Warriors.
If Gilbert is just saying, "fukk it, Lebron's leaving and no free agents come here so I need a squad for the future", then IT-Crowder-Love-TT is a fairly exciting core to build around and THEN they get a high draft pick on top of that. They'll be exciting, score a lot of points, probably make the playoffs...but they ain't fukking going anywhere unless they hit really big in the draft.
Next year, though...I ain't feeling IT at ALL. He's putrid on defense and it's tougher for him to score in the playoffs. I really don't see him as a championship piece.
The only way this works for title hopes next year is if they ain't done with the dealing. They'd have to flip Love and/or the pick for an elite 3-and-D guard to protect IT to even dream of playing with the Warriors.
Then isn't a good thing they're getting players that are trade-able and have actual value on the market?
Kyrie and Lebron would have been gone after next year and they would have been up the boat without a paddle.
I just realized the Godfather move in all this is if Cleveland now trades IT to Phoenix for Bledsoe and a piece in basically the same deal they were going to do with Kyrie.
This isn't Rose's MVP days. In 2017 Derrick Rose is not better than Isaiah Thomas.
daboywonder2002
Superstar
Celtics held all the cards. Team friendly contract in Crowder. BRooklyn's number 1 pick. WE can even go back further to having the 2016 and 2017 first round picks (Tatum and Brown). everyone wanted Ainge to make a move but he kept sitting on these assets. paul george and butler went by. Finally they went with their plan C in Hayward. But you still have valuable assets in Crowder and a first rd 2018 pick and you give it up for Kyrie Irving? I mean you could have sat on those assets and went after WEstbrook and Pg again in 2018. You could have went after Cousins or Kevin Love(he's always in trade rumors). Maybe even Anthony Davis. I like Brown and Tatum. I like Kyrie. But to have all these assets and not get a top 10 player is ridiculous.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Thomas and Crowder wouldn't exactly be the guys they're moving though. It's everyone else on the team that's problematic.