Back when the ANC was still considered a terrorist organization by the western governments, who supported the apartheid regime, the Soviet Union was arming, training and educating ANC militants. Many politicians now in the ANC leadership have long standing ties to Russia going all the way back to the liberation struggles.
Breaking: US accuses South Africa of shipping arms to Russia
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There’s only a handful of real nations.
All the others are chess pieces
African nations being so new are in no position to do anything but pick a side and hope for the best
I’ll be in Joburg next month to do some recon
Vandelay
Waxing Intellectual
Safe travels. I want to visit Cape Town. As others have said, I figured it was related to apartheid but I'm not all that versed on that time period outside of Mandela himself.
It's all chess. I just wish so many African countries would realize they are bigger than pawns.
A sovereign nation arming an enemy nation in the middle of a war is an act of war in and of itself not an internal affair.
They can’t be bigger than pawns until they start taking the very long term effects of continental economic policies seriously instead of constantly being led by people who are ultimately out for self.
That will never be allowed to happen because too many nations depend on Africa being destabilized so that it can continue to be the worlds resource field on the cheap.
The day that the continent bosses up and starts taxing everybody heavy on raw materials with a military big and bad enough to back it up is the day the rest of the world falls to them.
The rest of the world would blow it up before they allowed that to happen.
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What did I say that is wrong? China has massively invested in Africa the last 20 years - 1000's of roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, ports, railway, sports stadiums, electric grid, fiber optics, etc. USA has maintained an archaic approach to Africa of aid subsidies with a side of political influence and sanctions. Africans are not buying it anymore.
Nah America comes with force
First, economic warfare aka sanctions. Second, force aka coups/color revolutions.
Our Cold Wars with Russia and China have been going on way longer than the BRICS alliance has been in existence and South Africa knew exactly what message it was sending linking up with them.
The US is most definitely not a fan of that alliance.
This is the first step in blowing it up.
India and Brazil have enough economic clout to let their nuts hang a little but South Africa most definitely doesn’t.
Israel assisted South Africa with their nuclear program, 100%.
I wouldn't even call the proxy war silent. The Soviets at the time had strong footholds in Mozambique and Angola. Zambia was flirting with socialist policies. Ditto for Zimbabwe that kicked all their cacs out. For the United States, the UK and others, Apartheid was a minor inconvenience compared to the more critical need of ensuring South Africa was supported as a base of the West against the evil Soviets threatening to infiltrate all of Africa. Reagan and Thatcher openly told us what it was: South Africa was a valued partner in the fight against Communism and their Apartheid regime would be supported.
It's no coincidence that the fall of Apartheid accelerated after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Piff Perkins
Veteran
You can’t be serious
