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[Originalgangsta317]

This dumbass really said Kobe? The same Kobe who missed all but 6 games due to a torn achilles?

Melo, Wade and Wall didn't even make an all-NBA team while Curry was on second. But they were viewed as being better?

Ight bytch

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This dumbass really said Kobe? The same Kobe who missed all but 6 games due to a torn achilles?

Melo, Wade and Wall didn't even make an all-NBA team while Curry was on the second team. But they were viewed as being better?

How is someone gonna say bean was better in a year where he played 6 games ?

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Ai was carrying a garbage 76er team to the nba finals and put the team on his back to beat a prime Lakers team in game 1. He literally was the entire offense for that team. He was a 4x scoring champ for a reason. The dude was an elite undersized talent and still getting buckets.

He never had a team as good as this warriors team. Not even when he was with the nuggets.

The disrespect for A.I. is disgusting and I'm seeing too many threads where he ain't the only one getting disrespected in favor putting curry on this pedestal that hasn't earned yet.


I'm not for this agenda some of y'all are tryna push.

 

[Propaganda]

Ai was carrying a garbage 76er team to the nba finals and put the team on his back to beat a prime Lakers team in game 1. He literally was the entire offense for that team. He was a 4x scoring champ for a reason. The dude was an elite undersized talent and still getting buckets.

He never had a team as good as this warriors team. Not even when he was with the nuggets.

The disrespect for A.I. is disgusting and I'm seeing too many threads where he ain't the only one getting disrespected in favor putting curry on this pedestal that hasn't earned yet.


I'm not for this agenda some of y'all are tryna push.

what agenda is that? that someone having a historically great year (better than ai ever had) while leading what is on pace to be a historically great team (better than ai ever led) is better than ai? that's some kind of weird, disrespectful, nefarious 'agenda'?
i mean, this entire thread is stupid as fukk. steph isn't on iverson's level...cuz for one game curry shot as terribly as ai used to on a regular basis? come on.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Why does it bother you nikkas that I think AI is better It's my opinion


Only thing Curry does better than AI is shoot

It doesn't bother me....I just think your reasoning is poor (as is most people's when it comes to Allen Iverson). Your reasoning is totally based on his volume of shots.

Besides Kobe, Allen was my favorite player growing up. I remember meeting Allen Iverson a few years ago at a club I was DJing at. A mutual friend introduced us and I got to chop it up. One of the dopest moments I've had because Allen just doesn't accept anyone. At the time he was literally shouting at a chick for asking for a picture but had no problem taking a pic and rapping with me for a minute.

Fact is he just wasn't nearly as an efficient scorer as Curry & he wasn't as great of a teammate. I also don't know of the utility Allen provides if he's not the number 1 scoring option (although we can debate this with plenty of what if's had Billy King had done a better job). Still, I'm willing to bet Iggy will tell you Curry is the better player. He's played with prime versions of both and we've seen Iggy's criticisms of Iverson in the media.

Now if you want to argue natural talent & athleticism that's a totally different conversation from who's the better player. In my eyes Allen never truly lived up to what he was capable of. He was given all the natural gifts one could have with the exception of size and didn't maximize them. I can't even call it tragic based on where he's come from, what he's been through (jail, etc) and all it took to get to to the NBA and his level of achievement. He had a great career and did pretty well for himself.......but he was never a better player than peak Steph Curry. The numbers and the eye test totally back it up.

As much as I loved A.I the Chauncey Billups for AI trade was pretty damning....The difference between the Nuggets and Pistons before and after that trade pretty much proved that much of A.I's criticisms to be correct.

He never shot 29-30 times a night tho



His career average FGA is 21 most he shot in a season is 27,and no my nikka you got it fukked up,nikkas not averaging 30+ a night in the league with a bunch of attempts you gotta be super talented to do some shyt like that, especially at 6'0 165 pounds,you nikkas hating extremely hard on Iverson

Curry has never come close to sniffing 27 field goals a game......which is my point when people say AI was a better scorer. This year's Curry is averaging 30 on 19 shots.

Obviously 29 is an exaggeration & a big part of his career avg being so low is playing out the string of his career with Melo.

I love AI.....see above.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

This a.i. stanning

 

[Full Measures]

It doesn't bother me....I just think your reasoning is poor (as is most people's when it comes to Allen Iverson). Your reasoning is totally based on his volume of shots.

Besides Kobe, Allen was my favorite player growing up. I remember meeting Allen Iverson a few years ago at a club I was DJing at. A mutual friend introduced us and I got to chop it up. One of the dopest moments I've had because Allen just doesn't accept anyone. At the time he was literally shouting at a chick for asking for a picture but had no problem taking a pic and rapping with me for a minute.

Fact is he just wasn't nearly as an efficient scorer as Curry & he wasn't as great of a teammate. I also don't know of the utility Allen provides if he's not the number 1 scoring option (although we can debate this with plenty of what if's had Billy King had done a better job). Still, I'm willing to bet Iggy will tell you Curry is the better player. He's played with prime versions of both and we've seen Iggy's criticisms of Iverson in the media.

Now if you want to argue natural talent & athleticism that's a totally different conversation from who's the better player. In my eyes Allen never truly lived up to what he was capable of. He was given all the natural gifts one could have with the exception of size and didn't maximize them. I can't even call it tragic based on where he's come from, what he's been through (jail, etc) and all it took to get to to the NBA and his level of achievement. He had a great career and did pretty well for himself.......but he was never a better player than peak Steph Curry. The numbers and the eye test totally back it up.

As much as I loved A.I the Chauncey Billups for AI trade was pretty damning....The difference between the Nuggets and Pistons before and after that trade pretty much proved that much of A.I's criticisms to be correct.






Curry has never come close to sniffing 27 field goals a game......which is my point when people say AI was a better scorer. This year's Curry is averaging 30 on 19 shots.

Obviously 29 is an exaggeration & a big part of his career avg being so low is playing out the string of his career with Melo.

I love AI.....see above.

You're aware that Iverson was the only offensive option on his team aren't you?

You know he stole a game at home in the Finals against a team that was damn near unstoppable right?

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

what agenda is that? that someone having a historically great year (better than ai ever had) while leading what is on pace to be a historically great team (better than ai ever led) is better than ai? that's some kind of weird, disrespectful, nefarious 'agenda'?
i mean, this entire thread is stupid as fukk. steph isn't on iverson's level...cuz for one game curry shot as terribly as ai used to on a regular basis? come on.

We talking an entire hall of fame career to a couple of seasons where curry is mvp status.

That's disrespectful to Allen Iverson.

This the same sub-forum to tried to say the same thing about Kobe.

That's the agenda. Y'all putting this nikka on a pedestal that he hasn't even earned yet and making threads about him being better than hall of fame legends that careers expand 10+ years.

I Ain't with that bs

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

You're aware that Iverson was the only offensive option on his team aren't you?

You know he stole a game at home in the Finals against a team that was damn near unstoppable right?

That's clearly the way he wanted to play.

The Sixers built team knowing he wants to chuck. Everyone else played defense and rebounded.

Not enough credit is given to his teammates considering they had a top 5 defense. (the Lakers were 21st in defense in comparison)

They were 4th in total rebounds. 2nd in offensive rebounding (this wasn't like today where teams don't give a shyt about offensive rebounding and choose to get back in transition) and they were 9th in defensive rebounding.

The 2001 Sixers were a team built around his strengths and weaknesses but they still weren't a top 5 or 10 offense. If you gave Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Durant and plenty of others a top 5 defense and top 5 rebounding team in one of the weakest eastern conferences of all time, they'd have similar results because they're more efficient volume scorers.

 

[Inferno]

Didn't AI himself say Curry's surpassed him?

 

[Consumed]

Once again Curry wasn't looked at as a top 10 player in the league 2013-14,his coming out party was the next year.

You still had many people who felt:

Lebron
KD
Melo
Kobe
Russ
Howard
CP
Blake
AD
Wall
George
Wade
ETC

Were Better,what yall not understanding? But I'm done though yall got it

Man there's no way you really believe Kobe (missed all but 6 games that season), Davis (jumping the gun to include him here considering all his defensive flaws & offensive limitations that would improve significantly the following year), Wade (missed nearly 30 games, declined defensively, lowest RS ppg total since rook year, struggled with injury in PS key reason they got demolished by SAS to such a degree) and Wall (really not even the best PG in his conference, terrible in PS, very limited halfcourt scorer & not the defender he would become the following year) were better.

George went from looking like a top 3 player in the first two months to barely cracking 40% the rest of the regular season. Far too inconsistent and flawed as a 1on1 scorer/primary ball handler to be considered over Curry, even despite his defensive attributes. His consistency issues played a factor into why the Pacers had an offense that ranked among the worst in the league. Carmelo is a more versatile scorer, but doesn't have close to the same ability to facilitate an offense as the primary ball handler and make those around him significantly better. Curry gave you high volume scoring (24ppg), finds open teammates regularly (See: his work with Lee in the P&R or use his 8.5apg average for reference) and produced his points with better efficiency (61 TS%). Howard at that point was very reliant on P&R work/cleaning up misses around the basket in order to be an elite offensive asset as his 1on1 game had deteriorated severely only shooting 41% from 3-10 ft. He's never been a great passer out of the post (Even in Orlando) making it less than ideal to run offense through him especially with his post up struggles. Defensively he was still elite, but as a whole his impact wasn't better than Curry's. Griffin isn't a better scorer than Curry who produces a similar volume on much better efficiency and while Griff is lauded for his passing, he will never carry the same influence there than a PG who initiates the offense every possession up the floor does: Curry was responsible for a much higher percentage of his teams offense that season as a facilitator. If Griffin was a strong defender maybe it'd change things.

I'm not seeing any justifiable reason to keep him out of the top ten at ALL. So and so saying such doesn't do anything to change that stance. and for the record, check out his shotchart on the season its the picture of high volume efficiency.

Killed teams from three, mid range AND near the paint with floaters. The following season he'd become a much better finisher, played more off ball and improved his shooting even more but that didn't just catapult him into top 10 status out of nowhere. He was already there and just built on his game enough to where he could challenge LBJ & KD for best in the league.

 

[JackRoss]

AI would go 7 for 25 on a regular basis...... Stop this madness...... I'm a A.I. fan

 

[JackRoss]

A.I. was better defensively...Kinda


I think Steph coulda got the Sixers more than one win in those Finals

fukk the Lakers

 

[Edub]

So he wasn't HOF status when he won MVP?

Dirk won mvp in 07...iverson retired in 11...but was deteriorating by then basically ...iverson didn't win another scoring title passed 05 or 06...meaning he was past prime by the time dirk had his mvp year...comp. had changed too...dirk came in the league in 98...he didn't even make it to an All NBA 3rd team until 2001...THIRD team, 5 YEARS LATER, iverson was a franchise player dominating the toughest comp. from 1996 on...Dirk came in in 98 and really turned it on in 02/03(a.i.'s beginning troubled years) on after Iverson began descending...so did Dirk play when AI did ...yes, but was he the HOF when AI was doin his thing...sort of, but mainly no...he was fresh out the euro and learning the NBA game...but his up swing began at AI's downswing ...all while this is happening the league is getting softer, adapting some euro rules, and a lot of the talent that had dominated the league was retiring getting ready to or playing like they should retire.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Dirk won mvp in 07...iverson retired in 11...but was deteriorating by then basically ...iverson didn't win another scoring title passed 05 or 06...meaning he was past prime by the time dirk had his mvp year...comp. had changed too...dirk came in the league in 98...he didn't even make to All NBA 3rd team until 2001...third team...iverson was a franchise player dominating the toughest comp. from 1996 on...Dirk cam in in 98 and really turned it on in 02/03(a.i.'s beginning troubled years) on after Iverson began descending...so did Dirk play when AI did ...yes, but was he the HOF when AI was doin his thing...sort of...he was fresh out the euro and learning the NBA game...but his up swing began at AI's downswing ...all while this is happening the league is getting softer, adapting some euro rules, and a lot of the talent that had dominated the league was retiring getting ready to or playing like they should retire.

Dominating? He routinely struggled to crack 42% from the field and 30% from deep. It took years for them to even make the playoffs, and when they did it was almost always a first round exit with him shooting 40% or worse on the series. Are you seriously trying to call the late 90's-early 2000's the toughest era ever? The entire eastern conference was complete garbage from 1999 until maybe 2004 when Detroit managed to win it all. His team's never cracked 50 wins after 2001 and his teams won a total of one playoff series after that too, in an east so bad that they won a conference finals where he shot 34% on the series.