Fitzmagic or Fitztragic?The Best Chance To Win. The Official 2016 New York Jets Season Thread

[Frump]

You say this as if I didn't bring up starting a green or young qb which would produce more certainty at tanking.

All of this is jibber jabber. Like seriously...I rather you just say it's worthless giving the younger guys needed reps at qb because you can give two shyts about our future than this stuff

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The pendulum swings both ways[/QUOTE]

Our qb situation isn't good. I think Fitz gives is the best chance to compete and that's not much of a compliment as much as a referendum on our qb situation

 

[Frump]

The funny thing is, the Jets have taken the right approach the last two drafts - taking a young QB mid rounds (Petty and Hackenberg) and probably not letting em play for the first two seasons so they can learn/not be overwhelmed.


Regarding today's game

The Good

- D-Line. MoWilks was eating, Leonard Willians was legit a wrecking ball, McClendon showing out early.

- Offensive Line. I expected this to be our weakest point on the team. Surprisingly played really well today.

- Matt Forte. Added element on the offense, looks like he still has a lot. Played awesome today.

- Enunwa. Looks like he's gonna be a legit 3 WR option for us.

- Jalin Marshall. Already showing out on special teams and as a 4th WR option.

The Eh

- Linebackers played okay. Nothing to write home about but nothing to cry over either.

- Play calling. Couple times on 2nd and 3rd down we had some questionable options that led us to bringing the FG unit out. Two that come to mind (passing to Enunwa on 2nd down and then opting to run instead of vice versa while inside the 5)

- Workload for Powell. Think we could've utilized him a bit more, but this is just me nitpicking.

The Bad & Ugly

- Darrelle Revis. Bad news: he played like absolute shyt. Might be washed, might not though. Good news: only $7 mil dead cap next season if we cut him this coming off season. Less than a mil twice after that. Oh, and Sammy Watkins who absolutely owns his shyt plays him on Thursday with the Bills coming off a loss and Watkins having a subpar game. You know he's gonna go off.

- Marcus Williams. Missed a ton of tackles. Wearing Kyle Wilson's old number so you know he's bound to be dog shyt this season.

- Ryan Fitzpatrick. [Shrugs] what are you gonna do. We knew what we were getting with him. The second we went down after the Nugent FG, I knew we lost the game. Relying on Fitz to throw the ball to win you the game is never a plan you can trust.

- Brandon Marshall. Dropped two gimme catches (one on the final drive that would've got us 20 yards). Semi non-existent today. Can't be having that.

- Nick Folk. Time for you to find a new home bud. Between the missed extra point and missed FG, the loss is on him.

Yeah in all in on drafting a qb every year till you get one. Hackenberg pick was puzzling as shyt though. Seemed like an ego pick by the front office

 

[Harleminthe80s]

That drop was a killer....yet thankfully, it only was made relevant because of a drop by the bengals safety of a horrific throw by Fitz.

The pendulum swings both ways

So that's 1 actual int and 2 should be ints

More FitzMagic

 

[AntoineWalkerShimmy]

Yeah in all in on drafting a qb every year till you get one. Hackenberg pick was puzzling as shyt though. Seemed like an ego pick by the front office

I didn't mind the Hack pick as a long term project. I DID mind that we reached like fukk for him in the 2nd when we easily could've grabbed him in the 4th.

 

[NYC Rebel]

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Our qb situation isn't good. I think Fitz gives is the best chance to compete and that's not much of a compliment as much as a referendum on our qb situation

To compete at what level?

I brought up the level of non playoff mediocrity. I tie that to my rational about what's the best chance for the organzation.

Why don't you bring up the compete level and add it to equation as to why we should start Fitz?

 

[NYC Rebel]

So that's 1 actual int and 2 should be ints

More FitzMagic

Bro....I sit on the side of the field where we saw from the moment the ball was released it was a bad decision. We all collectively groaned before the ball was even half way there, it was so bad

 

[Trust Me]

Post on reddit then. I'm sure you'll fit right in.

The defense had 7 seven sacks and limited the Bengals to 20 points.

Fitz of the other hand played like a gimp and registered bottom 5 QBS effienciency numbers (YPA, QB rating, completion %). Logically then Fitz is to blame for our loss.

Don't like the forum emphasizing this true fact? fukk outta here. This isn't reddit.

I agree with everything you wrote here. I'm not sure why you're all p*ssyfied. And everything you wrote ISNT fact. It isn't logical to blame Fitz for this loss. Am I happy with the he way he played? No. Do I agree with you about him playing to not lose instead of to win? Yes. So again, I'm not sure what you're arguing about here. I think he played like a p*ssy today. I'll be the first to say it. He didn't even attempt to stretch the field. He dinked and dunked the whole game. He barely went through any progressions. I get it. But what you guys need to understand is that he's the best we've got right now. Our QB situation is fukking terrible. Period.

Those same posters going wahhh it's not just fitz leave him alone are the exact same posters that blamed every single thing on geno and wouldn't give 1 credence to the team being bad. It was all genos fault.


Now we have a super talented team and are watching fitz lead them nowhere and it's everyone elses fault but fitz.

They're hypocrites masquerading as being impartial. Fitz has 0 excuses. He's got an o line,a running game,multiple targets and a solid defense.

I haven't seen a single person say that Fitz doesn't have his fair share of the blame for this loss. But if you think that he's the one who lost it alone, then I don't know what to tell you. That's just not true.

There was. Our secondary sucked,folk had a fg blocked and missed an xp.

The game plan on defense and offense was terrible. Our tremendous d line will keep us in games.

But if you need every single thing to go right in a game for a qb to even have a chance to win well maybe we should be starting someone else. Our offense has tons of talent and it's being handicapped by a dude with a noodle arm who can't hit the broad side of a barn.

Again, I agree with everything you wrote here. Not sure what the problem is.

Hopefully next week Chan opens things up.

The offense played scared to lose today. We never went deep at all. Fitz sucks throwing deep but you need to at least try a couple times to keep them honest.

Bengals just sat on routes all game daring us to throw deep but we just tried to play small and it cost us.

For the last time.. I agree with this too.


The fact is, we're all frustrated as shyt because we just lost a game that we should have won. Add the fact that our schedule only gets even MORE brutal, we needed this one. We're pissed and rightfully so.

I just can't hop aboard the 'it's all Fitz's fault' because it just wasn't. Period.

Even though he played like utter shyt today.

 

[Trust Me]

Yeah in all in on drafting a qb every year till you get one. Hackenberg pick was puzzling as shyt though. Seemed like an ego pick by the front office

If things don't get better behind center, do we try and revisit the Rivers rumors? Do we even have anything they'd want? Can we afford to give up draft picks?

I just don't see anyone coming out this year that can make that much of a difference.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

My questions to the fitz is the best we got people.


1)if we aren't going to make the playoffs with him,and let's be real we aren't, what exactly is that worth? A couple more wins giving us a lower draft position?


2) we haven't seen geno or petty get a chance to play with this team in the regular season* so how exactly do you know fitz is the best option when petty even outplayed fitz in the preseason? * geno came into a game last year cold off the bench with no prep and still put the same type of numbers fitz does.


Fitz ISN'T the best option. That's the problem here. He is a dead end. A waste of time. We learn nothing with him leading this team. He has proven time and time again what he is. A 7-35 record against teams with a record better than .500 is everything that needs to be said. Fitz is the Jeff fisher of qbs.


Sorry but I'll roll the dice with a chance of being better or worse with geno or petty than knowing for a fact we aren't good enough with him.

This is a talented team and we are squandering it. We could at least get us some answers about our other qbs this season at worst.

Today we had a 65 yard kick off return,an INT in their territory, 152 rushing yards and 7 sacks. People want to focus on 1 drop and a blocked fg and missed xp while ignoring all the positive shyt the team did to put us in a position to win.

 

[NYC Rebel]

My questions to the fitz is the best we got people.


1)if we aren't going to make the playoffs with him,and let's be real we aren't, what exactly is that worth? A couple more wins giving us a lower draft position?


2) we haven't seen geno or petty get a chance to play with this team in the regular season* so how exactly do you know fitz is the best option when petty even outplayed fitz in the preseason? * geno came into a game last year cold off the bench with no prep and still put the same type of numbers fitz does.


Fitz ISN'T the best option. That's the problem here. He is a dead end. A waste of time. We learn nothing with him leading this team. He has proven time and time again what he is. A 7-35 record against teams with a record better than .500 is everything that needs to be said. Fitz is the Jeff fisher of qbs.


Sorry but I'll roll the dice with a chance of being better or worse with geno or petty than knowing for a fact we aren't good enough with him.

This is a talented team and we are squandering it. We could at least get us some answers about our other qbs this season at worst.

Today we had a 65 yard kick off return,an INT in their territory, 152 rushing yards and 7 sacks. People want to focus on 1 drop and a blocked fg and missed xp while ignoring all the positive shyt the team did to put us in a position to win.

Theyre not honest enough to bring up their expectations of fitz at qb and to tie it towards the Jets future when evaluation what's best for the team.

They simply can't do so

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

Theyre not honest enough to bring up their expectations of fitz at qb and to tie it towards the Jets future when evaluation what's best for the team.

They simply can't do so

Exactly!

The intellectual dishonesty is amazing. They don't want to admit they like fitz and believe in him. They'll say well he isn't good I never said he was while rocking Fitz in their avatar. Give me a break.

The only ones who think we are making the playoffs this year are the same ones that cape for him. It's obvious to everyone they just don't want to attach their word to it because then they look impartial to it. It's transparent.

Dudes are like

leave fitz alone!

 

[Trust Me]

My questions to the fitz is the best we got people.


1)if we aren't going to make the playoffs with him,and let's be real we aren't, what exactly is that worth? A couple more wins giving us a lower draft position?


2) we haven't seen geno or petty get a chance to play with this team in the regular season* so how exactly do you know fitz is the best option when petty even outplayed fitz in the preseason? * geno came into a game last year cold off the bench with no prep and still put the same type of numbers fitz does.


Fitz ISN'T the best option. That's the problem here. He is a dead end. A waste of time. We learn nothing with him leading this team. He has proven time and time again what he is. A 7-35 record against teams with a record better than .500 is everything that needs to be said. Fitz is the Jeff fisher of qbs.


Sorry but I'll roll the dice with a chance of being better or worse with geno or petty than knowing for a fact we aren't good enough with him.

This is a talented team and we are squandering it. We could at least get us some answers about our other qbs this season at worst.

Today we had a 65 yard kick off return,an INT in their territory, 152 rushing yards and 7 sacks. People want to focus on 1 drop and a blocked fg and missed xp while ignoring all the positive shyt the team did to put us in a position to win.

You're missing the countless numbers of times that their receivers got behind our secondary and made us pay.

As for Geno/Petty unseating Fitz .. Do you not think that if the staff thought they could do better, they'd be in? Do you seriously think that Bowles is wanting to ride with Fitz, just because? Think about that for a minute. What does Bowles get out of leaving an inferior QB in when he could be doing better with one of the backups?

I hate all of these conspiracy theories. That we don't want to see Geno/Petty for reasons other than them not being very good. It's crazy to me.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

The idea of Fitz being benched is absurd. They're not gonna pay the guy 12 mil to bench him in week 2.

He's gonna play unless he gets hurt or the Jets get eliminated from playoff contention, then Petty will get some reps.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

You're missing the countless numbers of times that their receivers got behind our secondary and made us pay.

As for Geno/Petty unseating Fitz .. Do you not think that if the staff thought they could do better, they'd be in? Do you seriously think that Bowles is wanting to ride with Fitz, just because? Think about that for a minute. What does Bowles get out of leaving an inferior QB in when he could be doing better with one of the backups?

I hate all of these conspiracy theories. That we don't want to see Geno/Petty for reasons other than them not being very good. It's crazy to me.

Bowles is a young inexperienced first time coach. Macc is a first time gm.

What "conspiracy" are you referring to?

Head coaches and gms are wrong all the time.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Exactly!

The intellectual dishonesty is amazing. They don't want to admit they like fitz and believe in him. They'll say well he isn't good I never said he was while rocking Fitz in their avatar. Give me a break.

The only ones who think we are making the playoffs this year are the same ones that cape for him. It's obvious to everyone they just don't want to attach their word to it because then they look impartial to it. It's transparent.

Dudes are like

leave fitz alone!

Look at where my conversation with @Frump stops. I ask him to provide me with his level of "compete at what level" when it comes to Fitz as a starter and he doesnt respond.

It's one of two things:

A. Believe Fitz is a qb that can take the Jets to the playoffs and risk folks questioning your acumen

B. Believe he can give us a non playoff season, basically coceding that you're not one who believes that younger qbs should be getting reps in that case, taking the organization one step closer to determine whether or not he is the qb or the future or if we will draft one next season.

Like....what is it?