Hot 97 - One Gotta Go: Kanye West, Dre, Pharrell or Timberland
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
More people have said it was a classic, more than me.
As it fits into being the real rap execution. Of what ever last did as an alternative artist in a complete content direction change in a rap sense. Plus, give content and adds to the direction of the lane that was reviewed a classic in early kid rock before he went on become a diamond selling rock act instead of a rapper who was early morning stone pimp'n.
I am only going by the census for delivered and it actually does hold up to how it was reviewed.
Plus, opened the door for guys like killa mike to David banner.
to make a cultural lane shift in content, direction in damn near bullet proof fashion.
Plus, gave purpose.
so guys like krit could be given props later on, too.
Yet, most won't cite all this, but it happened.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
You gon ignore Blueprint,Kanye pushing his own career,revitalizing Commons career and Twista?
And no I'm not a Kanye stan,but its almost a insult at least based on my own personal taste that Pharell is even in this discussion in regards to hiphop,when I think timeless beats Pharell name don't come up....I know producers do more than that,but being that all parties involved do it all,you gotta weed out the person with the weakest instrumentals....Pharell don't belong here,I don't care how much you nikkas and the media try to force his "genius" on me
.,he's overated as shyt.
Really Dre is in a class by himself on this list in terms of hiphop,but Timbaland is on the RNB side....Kanye has produced some crazy shyt that Pharell could never match,its actually disgusting to see Pharell on this list if you want my honest opinion....he makes good pop beats for when rappers wanna crossover? So what,most of it ages like shyt vs wine
I can't think of any pharrell records at all.
Where I don't have to swallow a wack jiggy meets swizz beats based pill rap wise when it comes to bangers.
Or a generic mike jack impersonation beat or run pop commercial record.
that makes me question why the shyt is even on when I listen to Pharrel.
All his record are to commercially pop or low quality sellout bite of some past great.
That, makes it a hard listen at the end of the day.
Even on drop like it is hot.
It has that awful if you wanna ride white horse beat breakdown ripoff thing going on.
That if snoop wasn't on it.
To carry with hof vocal tonality and vocal quality.
It would have never worked.
All pharrel's records were carried by the artist exclusively.
To get over his ovelry apparent cheese factor.
Plus, the fact pharrel and even ye sometimes give off a selllout efeminate DJ lance came to life thing
That makes them hard to even stomach visually.
So, when you see pharrell making wack mj impressions on the hook.
The comedy of the shyt is overshadowed with just extreme.feelings of nikka stfu.
Plus, we don't wanna know why you happy to be a sellout, either.
Art Barr
My personal favorite Pharrel records are:
Clock'n g's
Niggy nuts
Which are the first playbook records.
on how to cut through the cheese factor of a pharrell first Gen solo rapper banger run.
Like, if LL never did that.
I probably never give a pharrell record a chance.
after the garbage that is nore.
Which is a ripoff of timbo and busta scaled down anyway.
Slash, swizz's infatuation with Spanish tweaked out guitar run.
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I challenge anybody naming Pharell to name some,Cuz I sat for a good minute yesterday trying to think of some great Pharell beats that weren't carried by the artist like you said....And I actually thought about Drop It Like Its Hot,but then I imagined that shyt without Snoop on it too and couldn't help but laugh at the idea of listening to just the instrumental alone
....I guess what I can give Pharell credit for is his melody game and how artist he works with always give him credit for helping with that and telling them how to deliver certain things....But everybody on this list is known to do that,all real producers do that,his melodys do produce bigger hits than most though.But on the flip side his beats are already pop friendly,so the credit I just gave him for melody producing hits,I gotta take some of that back
...I have a much bigger appreciation for a producer who can produce a record that ends up appealing to another demographic without reaching for it....Pharell is always reaching for pop charts which is why hiphop artist go to him for the crossover....Its not like he's organically making great hiphop records that just happen to crossover and become commercial.
Kings County
Law III | Law XXV | Law XV
whoever voted dre or timberland need to off themselves
West Coast Avenger
West Coastin & Smokin
Kanye running 2nd now.....
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I would have to sit and go over his catalogue.. I will say, that I include everything outside of hip hop when I do this..
I'll post them later..
Dre>Neptunes>Ye>Timbo
bambinokino
Pro
That's easy....kanye, Dre, and pharrell...they all gay
...timbo stays by process of elimination only
...timbo stays by process of elimination onlyAccording to Kanye, Graduation wouldn't sound like it sounds if it had not been for Futuresex/Lovesounds. Therefore this avant garde electropop innovation that you are referencing owes a debt to the album you are downplaying. Two out of three of the artists that you listed have heavy Timbaland influences in their music.
If you remove Timbaland, there's a lot of producers that either wouldn't exist or their sound would be totally different. T-Minus, Boi-1da, 40, Kanye West himself, Danja, Scott Storch, Mike Will Made It, Polow Da Don, Ryan Tedder, and Stevie J are just some of the producers who Timbaland has directly influenced and/or these guys have cited as an influence.
Before Timbaland had Scott Storch co-producing with him, Storch was just a keyboardist for The Roots and Dr. Dre. After "Cry Me A River", Storch blossomed into a hit-making machine of a producer himself. Would we even know who Danja is if not for Timbo? Stevie J said that Timbaland influenced how "Notorious Thugs" sounds. You have Kanye getting Timbo to re-do drums for his songs and saying that an album Timbaland produced influenced Graduation.
Before Timbaland had Scott Storch co-producing with him, Storch was just a keyboardist for The Roots and Dr. Dre. After "Cry Me A River", Storch blossomed into a hit-making machine of a producer himself. Would we even know who Danja is if not for Timbo? Stevie J said that Timbaland influenced how "Notorious Thugs" sounds. You have Kanye getting Timbo to re-do drums for his songs and saying that an album Timbaland produced influenced Graduation.
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