Hot 97 - One Gotta Go: Kanye West, Dre, Pharrell or Timberland

[Kingshango]

Sorry Kanye.

 

[g-ice]

I wasn't giving Kanye credit for those guys,I was just talking about the quality of those beats and the fact those songs are classics as well as the beat.....I don't think those should be discounted just because they didn't put somebody on,or weren't hit records....That's kindve what you are doing when you give Pharell more credit than Kanye simply for giving nikkas pop hit....It would be different if your giving credit for actually putting nobodys on,or producing classic albums for nikkas...But Pharell only has one arguable claim to that and that's the Clipse,and they flopped with they debut irrc,so its not like he made them superstars,also classic status of that album is debateable....the other people you name were already stars or known outside of Kelis....I'd even give Pharell some extra credit if he was giving nobodys these hits and turning them into stars....but Snoop never really disappeared and was still a go to feature guy at the time...Pass The Courversier didn't take Bustas career to new heights he hadn't been,or Snoop,nor did Pharell give a classic album to either of them....Kanye meanwhile produced BE for Common....That alone gets more credit than giving a few pop hits to some people who mostly were already stars doesn't it?

Meanwhile Kanye produced a classic for himself,played a big part in producing a classic for Jay,produced a classic for Common,arguable made Pusha T a bigger act than Pharell did?But as long as you give Kanye credit for having a better body of work overall,guess theres really no argument.

My only argument I guess would be the criteria you are using to decide what makes these producers stand above Kanye....also how you are deciding it as well.

I would definitely say Kanye has influenced more peoples sound than Pharell....whether it be folks running the soul sample into the ground,or rather it be this emo shyt they learned from listening to 808's heartbreaks....Take that into account,along with the fact he's produced more FULL classic bodys of work,and not just gave artist singles,plus comparing the quality of the beats and the songs themselves both have produced,gotta give it to Kanye....even by your own criteria you pretty much have to give it to Kanye,unless you really putting that much stock into these singles Pharell produced.

I respect your opinion and can't argue against it except for that Pusha part.

What I'll say is this...and it's referring to your last point. I'm putting most of those Neptune singles onto a higher pedestal because they are more well known and have charted relatively well. In other words, the overall success of their singles may be the reason I put Pharrell over 'Ye.

Again, overall body of work 'Ye >>> Pharell but hit records speak for themselves and Pharrell (w/ Chad) >>> 'Ye

 

[dj-method-x]

Had to get Ye outta the paint. I feel bad for it too but I just don't think he has accomplished what the other 3 has for as long. I honestly feel like Kanye is losing it while the other 3 are still transcending. Timb might be losing it too but dude changed rap and rnb overnight, then went and took over pop for a minute. His past accolades eclipse Ye's IMO.

 

[BigL187]

timbo

 

[RocPG]

i said Dre for the sole fact that Eminem would never been able to make it without him. I hate eminem

 

[Big Mel]

Kanye without blinking.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Dre

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

Kanye

 

[Pifferry]

All this Kanye hate
So many amazing beats and albums.

 

[scarlxrd]

Ye gets the boot by a c*nt hair of a margin.

 

[riddlerap]

Kanye got a lot of fakkits willing to ride hard for him i guess. how he isnt winning by a landslide in this poll is crazy. all the other dudes are way nicer producers and have produced a lot more classic material.

 

[riddlerap]

top 5 beat most never even heard

 

[Art Barr]

Lord willin' AND hell hath no fury are underrated classics

Hell hath no fury is one of the worst rap albums ever made, breh.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It is four sellout rap producers.
Who all caused some type of erosion.
I guess I would get rid of pharrell.
As all of his rap albums are reasonable doubt made over again.
While in timbo's favor.
He revolutionized all drum programming in all of music, period.
Plus, came from the same camp.
Where all I got from pharrell incomparison was a ripoff of swizz's Casio trigger style with more pretentious musical theory that has nuffin to do with rap being made to be rap.

So, I would get rid of pharrell.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Oh and timbo has a classic rap lp in delivered by bubba sparx.


Art Barr