Ill admit I'm little jealous of IT guys

[acri1]

These guys on here are always pushing the exceptions and not the norm. There are lot of low level IT positions are filled with folks with no degrees making $15 - $20 per hour. That's the norm. You can eat decent in IT without a degree IF you have the experience. You will eat much better with a relevant degree and experience. There is no debate about this. The key is making sure your degree is relevant. Contract work and temp gigs are not as glamorous as they are making it seem. And the good ones require specialized expertise and years of experience. I prefer the bonuses, salary, and flexibility I get being in management any day. You can have the experience in the world but if that management or Sr level IT job says degree required you are shut out from that opportunity.

IMO, the thing about a degree is that you won't start out making more than people without, but it'll tend to help you in the long run.

When I got out of college I started out on helpdesk making like $16/hr and working with a bunch of people with no degree. But when that System Engineer job opened up a few years later, I pretty much got it just off GP because I had a degree, even though some of my coworkers had seniority. And if there's an opening for a management job, I'll pretty much be on the short list of candidates.

I'm not at all saying you can't eat without a degree but it makes it easier to get past the glass ceiling.

 

[flea]

Are you forreal????

Yes fakkit. And stop quoting me u ugly ass bytch

 

[BillyOcean]

Nope, you are wrong

No, I'm 100% percent correct that the two positions I had at Adtran and Avaya required at least a MIS degree. The preferred degree for both was an BS EE. Hell, I'm getting hounded by a company now that requires a degree for the position.


Now I have seen plenty of people in IT without a degree do very well for themselves. But be serious, if there are two candidates with equal experience but one has a degree and the other does not, what do you think the tie breaker more often than not is?

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

You are only going so far in IT without a degree. A lot of doors will be closed off if your are trying to move up the ladder. That's not to say you cant eat well. Cause their are a lot of jobs out there right now. But if your trying to get into the business, management, and strategy side of IT then a degree is definitely a must. Everyone isn't trying to be a contractor and jumping around temp gigs or be a tech. Relevant Degree + Experience is always better than just experience alone.

Nope, I am an enterprise strategy architect for the largest software company on planet google erf gnauze w/ no degree

I've been offered many internal management jobs, but have 0 interest in that, in fact I've been a "high potential" employee for 8 years out of the 10 I've been here all based on my performance and not a degree

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

No, I'm 100% percent correct that the two positions I had at Adtran and Avaya required at least a MIS degree. The preferred degree for both was an BS EE. Hell, I'm getting hounded by a company now that requires a degree for the position.


Now I have seen plenty of people in IT without a degree do very well for themselves. But be serious, if there are two candidates with equal experience but one has a degree and the other does not, what do you think the tie breaker more often than not is?

Personality is the go/no go for me. I've turned down perspective employees with phds and mbas because they are just not presentable or likeable

And I've never heard of either of those companys you mention, I've been in it for 17 years

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

IMO, the thing about a degree is that you won't start out making more than people without, but it'll tend to help you in the long run.

When I got out of college I started out on helpdesk making like $16/hr and working with a bunch of people with no degree. But when that System Engineer job opened up a few years later, I pretty much got it just off GP because I had a degree, even though some of my coworkers had seniority. And if there's an opening for a management job, I'll pretty much be on the short list of candidates.

I'm not at all saying you can't eat without a degree but it makes it easier to get past the glass ceiling.

Not at all son

 

[BillyOcean]

Personality is the go/no go for me. I've turned down perspective employees with phds and mbas because they are just not presentable or likeable

And I've never heard of either of those companys you mention, I've been in it for 17 years

Ok, I get it now you're trolling. Good luck in your endeavors.

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

Ok, I get it now you're trolling. Good luck in your endeavors.

Work at some d level it company and expect erryone to know them brehs

 

[Somewhere For Me]

IT is not a sit all day, everyday doing nothing job. Especially when you're not in project management. Most of the IT workers I have known that are not management level are usually up and about working non-stop and a lot of them be out in on the road doing work in the field (all them boxes you see on the side of the road) as well.

Also, IT has become very over saturated over the years. You have had folks to leave the IT field and getting into management or executive positions ain't cake either anymore.

Also, them certs don't provide you easy access to $70K a year. Nowadays, employers want you to have at least an associate's degree and training/experience under the belt. Even then, the money flow has tighten up over the years thanks to the over saturation.

Also, ECPI? Who the bloody hell suggested that? The average IT employer ain't going to give a resume with ECPI, ITT Tech, or any of them for-profit schools a second glance no matter how hard the student worked and taught him or herself. Be better off going to a community college and earning that associate's degree that's regionally accredited and respected by employers. Oh yeah, them for-profit schools leave you in mad debt for credits that don't even transfer for goodness sake.

Last but not least: A CERTIFICATE AIN'T NO COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE AND WILL NEVER REPLACE A COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE.

Computer Science is a whole different ballgame. Different projection. Different academics. Different career. The tech field is diverse with levels and each level requires different things. CS is its own level and so is IT. The two fields usually do not overlap.

Some of y'all make me fukking sick.

 

[DIMES]

You should be, I made over 260k last year

Your job title must have 3 words

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

Your job title must have 3 words

Enterprise Strategy Architect

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

IT is not a sit all day, everyday doing nothing job. Especially when you're not in project management. Most of the IT workers I have known that are not management level are usually up and about working non-stop and a lot of them be out in on the road doing work in the field (all them boxes you see on the side of the road) as well.

Also, IT has become very over saturated over the years. You have had folks to leave the IT field and getting into management or executive positions ain't cake either anymore.

Also, them certs don't provide you easy access to $70K a year. Nowadays, employers want you to have at least an associate's degree and training/experience under the belt. Even then, the money flow has tighten up over the years thanks to the over saturation.

Also, ECPI? Who the bloody hell suggested that? The average IT employer ain't going to give a resume with ECPI, ITT Tech, or any of them for-profit schools a second glance no matter how hard the student worked and taught him or herself. Be better off going to a community college and earning that associate's degree that's regionally accredited and respected by employers. Oh yeah, them for-profit schools leave you in mad debt for credits that don't even transfer for goodness sake.

Last but not least: A CERTIFICATE AIN'T NO COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE AND WILL NEVER REPLACE A COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE.

Computer Science is a whole different ballgame. Different projection. Different academics. Different career. The tech field is diverse with levels and each level requires different things. CS is its own level and so is IT. The two fields usually do not overlap.

Some of y'all make me fukking sick.

Cuz you just described 2 completely different careers in IT.... Developers and IT Pros are complete opposite sides.

 

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

alot of yall dont even know the half on the $ these cats make- 80k-110K aint shyt especially in NY/NJ/CT- I know cats in IT pulling 1000-1500 / per Motherfukking day - do the math on them figures

 

[DIMES]

Enterprise Strategy Architect

fukkin beautiful

 

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

Enterprise Strategy Architect

Consultant or FT breh?