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IS IT ME OR DOES OKAFOR LOOK LIKE HE HAS BUST WRITTEN ALL OVER HIM?
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Nah, teams with great rim protectors are almost all in the top 10 defensively.
Gobert, Hibbert, Nerlens, Bogut, Howard are the best rim protectors in the NBA, the lowly Sixers are 11th in the league defensively off the back of Nerlens alone. Defense starts in the paint, the better your rim protector the more you can pressure on the perimeter because a mistake won't be a free path to the rim. Just look at the Cavs for example, Mozgov has made all the difference in the world for them and gives them a last line of defense that they didn't have before.
Whoever drafts Okafor absolutely needs to get a rim protector next to him, you can get away with poor defense from 1 frontcourt guy if the other is elite and can cover for them (Ibaka and Kanter, Gasol and Zbo, Tyson and Dirk).
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Think I'm coming around on Al Jefferson being the best comparison
Exactly like Big Al is a scrub is 18pt 9rb 2 Blk and some lackluster defense will be a top pick every year...
You can't go wrong with picking either Towns or Okeafor with the top pick I wonder if the 76ers win the lotto who would they pick....Because they need Russell/Mudiay/Winslow but do you pass up on these potentially star bigs.
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But Jahlil isnt NEAR the athlete Drummond is. WIth Drummond you can chalk up his poor rebounding, hell his poor college year, to just terrible hustle and motor. Cant say the same with Jahlil. I don't think he lacks the effort, just think he isnt good at it
My bad, meant the idea of the uber athletic rim protector... Ala Deandre Jordan or old Tyson Chandler. Guys like Bogut and Gasol aren't considered athletes who play above the rim but they're teams are top in defense. Matter of fact, the Warriors are arguably the best defensive team in the league and they're best defensive lineup is when Draymond plays center. A team like the Bucks are up there defensively without a "rim protector" either. Yet Deandre Jordan is a DPOY candidate abe the Clippers aren't in the top 15 in defense.
My point is that just because Okafor isn't super athletic and doesn't block a ton of shots won't nessecarily mean he'll be horrible on defense in the league. He defends the post well because of his size, although he doesn't get many blocks, his presence on help alters shots often, and he didn't foul a ton this season overall. (Some of that had to do with zone, but even when they played man he got similar results). People are gonna ignore that he had a strong tournament defensively and just focus on him getting killed by a C who plays like a SF.
But Jahlil isnt NEAR the athlete Drummond is. WIth Drummond you can chalk up his poor rebounding, hell his poor college year, to just terrible hustle and motor. Cant say the same with Jahlil. I don't think he lacks the effort, just think he isnt good at it
He may not be good at it, but you can pair him with a defensive big and some of those problems go away. Like I said, whoever drafts him has to know that finding a frontcourt mate to cover for him is extremely important, but I'm going to guess that we'll see a team try to play him with a faceup 4 that can't defend.
Gobert plays above the rim
You can't have a sound team defense without a big, Bogut and Gasol are legit 7 footers, they don't need to play above the rim at that size. We saw how the Warriors looked last year in the playoffs without Bogut, they got annihilated in the paint by the Clippers, Draymond is at his absolute best when Bogut is there to cover. Also Bogut is an elite interior defender and only Gobert is better at protecting the rim than him, he's big as hell. The Bucks have Henson and had Larry Sanders who was an elite rim protector and interior defender, also Giannis is for all intents an purposes is a secondary shot blocker from the 3, so they are unique.DeAndre for DPOY has been shredded by several credible people, as well as posters on here.
He's going to be poor on defense, teams will go at him in PnR and he's not that quick laterally. He's either going to have to slim down, or hit the weights hard and make sure that 270-280lbs is more muscular/lean than it is now. Guys like Bogut and Gasol are legit 7 footers, they are 7 feet tall without shoes on, Okafor is 6'9" and a half without them, he doesn't have their size so being a great athlete is how guys his size end up being good-great defenders.
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I think Jahlil is AT BEST Al Jefferson. If he does get to that level, he wont be too bad of a pick. But when you compare that to the other players in the top 5 who compare to the likes of a brandon roy like Steph/Harden combo (Russell) , a bigger, better defending LA (Towns. 80+ percent from the line and his HS tape tells me that jumper is about to be moist af in the association), a bigger, better shooting John Wall/ Russell Westbrook freak (Mudiay please god
), and a defensive James Harden (winslow tho im not prone to this comp), obviously im gonna be like
. If its Jahlil or the Lakers first slips to 6 tho, Jahlil please
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), and a defensive James Harden (winslow tho im not prone to this comp), obviously im gonna be like. If its Jahlil or the Lakers first slips to 6 tho, Jahlil please.
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Ahh i feel you. But what kind of defensive big could you put next to him to maximize both players? Since he cant play the 4, i feel like that limits the kinds of defensive bigs you can pair with him. Can't put him next to a Gobert or Deandre can you? I feel like that would just clog up the lane. Would a Nerlens type be the best fit?
The other son of the Congo, Bismack Biyombo
Nerlens, John Henson, Taj Gibson etc guys like that.
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Those dudes are hard to come byThe other son of the Congo, Bismack Biyombo
Nerlens, John Henson, Taj Gibson etc guys like that.
. And Taj Gibson and potentially Nerlens are the only ones who are offensive liabilities. My greatest fear is the lakers just throwing out Jahlil and Randle to start in the front court
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Bismack hasnt looked too bad his last 5 games. Ibaka would probably be the perfect fit next to Jahlil
You are a shyt poster. This shyt don't even make sense. You telling me that a more athlete, much higher BBIQ, longer, taller, faster who has quickness on offense with court vision and he can pass is going to be Al Jefferson at BEST. Are you smoking crack or are you just a stupid ass nikka. Saying how he fits in a championship picture is one thing but this guy has all the makings of a top 3 NBA scorer and an elite offensive NBA center.I think Jahlil is AT BEST Al Jefferson. If he does get to that level, he wont be too bad of a pick. But when you compare that to the other players in the top 5 who compare to the likes of a brandon roy like Steph/Harden combo (Russell) , a bigger, better defending LA (Towns. 80+ percent from the line and his HS tape tells me that jumper is about to be moist af in the association), a bigger, better shooting John Wall/ Russell Westbrook freak (Mudiay please god
Now once again, saying how he fits as a cornerstone player is one thing but he's as elite as prospects come. He's not someone I would say, you get him, you gonna contend for 10-12 years. Not a chance. I feel strongly about him.
Him and Towns can be elite NBA bigs. There aren't that many of them. Cousins is getting extremely close but I don't see it yet outside of the stat sheet. Davis is elite but that's it.
I think he would be a great fit next to someone who can hit a midrange shot and defend the PnR well. I don't think he needs a rim protector. He needs a PF who can defend his ass off and hit open jumpers. I have little to no issues with Okafor as a prospect but if you are asking can he be a cornerstone like people thought Oden would be, I would say no.
Taj would be an excellent fit. Biyombo and Henson would not be at all. Nerlens is a no brainer.The other son of the Congo, Bismack Biyombo
Nerlens, John Henson, Taj Gibson etc guys like that.