MAYWEATHER is 44-0, 36 yrs old, & never been in a CLASSIC FIGHT!?!?!

[Zapp Brannigan]

I think he's had some great fights. I especially liked his fights with De La Hoya, Castillo, and Hatton. Why am I in the minority on this? I find him fun to watch and very skillful. If my Mexican ass can admit he's that good, surely others here can.

 

[The War Report]

People are mad because Floyd is all business. Most of these boxers with classic fights are broke. I'd rather be rich and hated than broke and loved. Legacy means nothing, Belts collect dust.

Let Tyson tell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgqEdxZzoE

Just stop talking please.

 

[GzUp]

 

[Newzz]

people just wanna see him take punishment
it isn't gonna happen
its sort of like what happened with roy jones(but mayweather is fighting far superior compeition)
he getting penalized for being so much better den everyone
same thing happened with ali
ppl in general don't like when someone appears perfect.
they want vulnerability
the cotto and castillo fights are da closest u are gonna get until faster time comes around.
the avg boxing fan just wants to see an sloppy slugfest
any true boxing fan sees what mayweather is doing and has done for 17 straight years and appreciates it

Ali fought Archie Moore, Ernie Terrell, Earnie Shavers, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Floyd Patterson 2x, Sonny Liston 2x, Leon Spinks 2x, Ken Norton 3x, Joe Frazier 3x and ....who has Floyd fought on that level?


Ali went 13-4 against that HOF competition and ALWAYS fought the toughest and best competition. People wanted to see him lose, but he could never be accused of ducking any opponent like Floyd can.


Yall gotta stop mentioning Floyd's name with "The Greatest Of All-Time"

 

[seemorecizzy]

Ali fought Archie Moore, Ernie Terrell, Earnie Shavers, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Floyd Patterson 2x, Sonny Liston 2x, Leon Spinks 2x, Ken Norton 3x, Joe Frazier 3x and ....who has Floyd fought on that level?


Ali went 13-4 against that HOF competition and ALWAYS fought the toughest and best competition.


Yall gotta stop mentioning Floyd's name with "The Greatest Of All-Time"

people called ali a cherry picker and a ducker until he lost
floyd deserves to be mentioned with da all time greats

 

[Newzz]

people called ali a cherry picker and a ducker until he lost
floyd deserves to be mentioned with da all time greats

Before "The People's Champ" fought Joe Frazier and suffered his 1st loss....he was 31-0, and had already beaten Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson, Earnie Terrell, and Sonny Liston 2x. Who did he miss from 1964-1967? Frazier wasnt anything until 1970 and Foreman didnt even DEBUT until 1969 in his 1st fight


If they wouldnt have jailed him in the middle of his prime and took 3 years out of his life and career, he could possibly have done even more.

 

[Fresh]

didn't nikkaz think Mayweather had a good chance of gettin knocked out against Diego, instead Money Mayweather knocked dude down like 5 times and his corner stopped the fight

wasn't his fault he outclassed a lot of his opponents

Just because Jordan won six 'ships and was undefeated in the finals doesn't mean it was because every team in the NBA were scrubs or something. Or the elite players were scrubs, MJ was just the best.

Mayweather is just that nice

 

[seemorecizzy]

Before "The People's Champ" fought Joe Frazier and suffered his 1st loss....he was 31-0, and had already beaten Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson, Earnie Terrell, and Sonny Liston 2x. Who did he miss from 1964-1967? Frazier wasnt anything until 1970 and Foreman didnt even DEBUT until 1969 in his 1st fight


If they wouldnt have jailed him in the middle of his prime and took 3 years out of his life and career, he could possibly have done even more.

well for one people were saying his second fight with liston was fixed
amongst other things
bottom line, they weren't giving him full credit for his victories


and if ali didn't take those 3 three years off, but he probably would have never lost

 

[nomoreneveragain]

The beatdowns he gave Corrales and Gatti

I think Floyd gets flack because he's not active fighter, that's gonna change now.

 

[FreedMind]

Always felt bad for Chico.

Gatti was a fun fight to watch though.

 

[23Barrettcity]

The best fight Floyd ever had was beating washed up De La Hoya



The Floyd Stans are gonna attack you, but you are absolutely correct about the fighters he ducked.


He also could've fought a prime Joel Casomayor too but "missed" that fight as well

So because toprank says Floyd ducked a fighter it's true?? Cotto was up and coming when Floyd fought dlh he hadn't really proven anything and didn't have much name recognition yet . Hell Canelo at this point brings more to the table than cotto / margarito did at the time .... It was arum who started saying Floyd ducked people angering Floyd and keeping him away from his fighters ..... nd Mosley ducked Floyd when sugar was the bigger name .

 

[The Judge]

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[O.iatlhawksfan]

The De La Hoya fight is still very talked about today

 

[Newzz]

So because toprank says Floyd ducked a fighter it's true?? Cotto was up and coming when Floyd fought dlh he hadn't really proven anything and didn't have much name recognition yet . Hell Canelo at this point brings more to the table than cotto / margarito did at the time .... It was arum who started saying Floyd ducked people angering Floyd and keeping him away from his fighters ..... nd Mosley ducked Floyd when sugar was the bigger name .

From somebody who is involved in the boxing world and actually has inside information of what's going on....Stephen "Breadman" Edwards. He explains the fact that Floyd, did indeed, "missed" alot of fighters in his career and breaks it down from A to Z.

Floyd Mayweather, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. and Alexis Arguello are almost universally recognized as the best junior lightweights ever. They all held the belt around the same amount of time and had almost the same number of title defenses. But none of them unified. Floyd could have historically separated himself if he would’ve fought Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas. They were both undefeated champions with him, in the same division for 3 years. Could you imagine Floyd’s resume if he unifies 130 and beats 3 undefeated titlist in the division. I’m not saying he “DUCKED” them but he did MISS them and the fights would’ve have enhanced him.


Ok go to 135 and Floyd goes through a slight rough patch in his career. He fought the beast in Castillo twice. I watched boxing at this time, I’m not researching it. When you lived through something you get a different grasp on it. Stevie Johnston was the #1 contender to the WBC belt. He had fought in 12 WBC title fights. People call Castillo the beast of the time but in reality when Castillo beat Johnston by razor close decision it was the upset of the year, that’s how highly regarded Johnston was. They fought a rematch and Johnston was declared the winner. Only to find out later the judges added the scorecards incorrectly and the fight was ruled a draw. So in two fights against Castillo, Johnston had performed on par with Floyd.


After Floyd beat Castillo in their rematch a fight with Johnston loomed. But it wasn’t made. Johnston was forced to fight an eliminator against Juan Lascano about a year later, lost and never got the shot. Meanwhile Floyd fought Victor Sosa and Phillip Ndou. Again I’m not saying he DUCKED Johnston, but he missed him and that fight could’ve been made. Johnston I believe was with Top Rank or had a good relationship with them because he fought plenty of their fighters. Stevie Johnston was a bad dude and everybody knew it. Again it’s convenient to say ,”yeah but Floyd beats him anyway” but I’m not one to suggest that everytime a guy doesn’t fight somebody.


Next up we have 140. Floyd fought two eliminators at 140 in order to fight for the WBC belt that Arturo Gatti had. He was the big dog at the time. I suppose he could have angled to go after the best fighter in the division which was Kostya Tszyu. The fight was never made. Tszyu is regarded as the best 140 pounder of this era, how is that not legacy defining. He was also the unified and RING magazine champion.


Now we go to 147. You talk about Paul Williams. You don’t even get the science behind certain things. “They” said Floyd wanted no part of Margarito and he was offered 8 million to prove it. Instead he fought Baldomir which was understandable because he was the RING champ. But Paul Williams instead fought Margarito. You’re NOT following me, so let me help. Williams and Floyd are under the same management. Williams beating Margarito in a sense takes an opponent away from Floyd. Brilliant move. More knowledge for you. Floyd, Vernon Forest and Andre Berto are all under the same management. Did you know that Berto fought for Floyd’s vacant belt at 147 and Forest fought for Floyd’s vacant belt at 154. Look it up bro.
I’m trying to give you insight on the maneuvering. So at 147 we have Margarito who stormed back into contention, Williams who was a monster and destroyed Quitana in the rematch, Cotto was a huge draw on the east coast and he had just beat two well known black fighters in Mosley and Judah. Remember Floyd has never done his thing in the Garden.


You take those guys plus Pacquiao and you have roughly 10 fighters that Floyd could’ve fought and it would have enhanced his legacy. What did I say wrong? It doesn’t mean he’s not great because he is. It just means that he made several business decisions instead of legacy decisions. But you have to take into consideration that some of the legacy defining fights, also make BIG business sense.


Every fighter I named was IN the same division at the same time for an extended period of time that Floyd was. I know that everything is not his fault. But when you have that many fights NOT happen, it does raise an eyebrow.

BOXINGTALK : DAILY BREAD MONDAY EDITION 10-15-12

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[irishfury]