Safe to say Eric used "Hall & Nash" better than Khan used "Punk & Bryan"

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There’s only one first time to do anything. The “oh shyt they said ass/showed titties/shed blood/mentioned the other company on tv” all came and went. Bryan and Punk had to get over as themselves and fight Vince in his own company to do it and it worked. If Bryan and Punk are so much lesser than Hall and Nash, why are they still big stars a decade past their peak? What Hall and Nash do in 02-03?

Punk isn’t the “star” y’all make him out to be. AEW has never gone past 1.4 million viewers. If they were such stars, the needle would move in viewers and attendance. They pop a rating on a debut and it falls off. Luckily they are smart and don’t do monthly PPVs otherwise that would expose their attendance numbers there too.
 

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Any two upper card WWF guys in that storyline with Hulk does the exact same business. You really think if it was Shawn and Bret it wouldn’t have worked? Taker and any combo of the guys named would have worked too. They booked WWF vs WCW for the first time, of course it was a huge deal. It’s what every fan wanted and couldn’t get for years. Vince teased it with flair in 91 then got scared. Making this comparison is as smart as comparing 1996 with 1971 wrestling.

Dillusional. The NWO, Austin (and a lesser extent DX) made it “cool” to cheer for the heel. Which is a problem in modern wrestling now, heels don’t want to be a real heel, they want to be “cool”.
 

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The people that expected them to start doing huge numbers week after week were never realistic. We have years of documentation pre-WCW folding of bigger names than Punk & DB switching sides and that needle not moving (Hogan, Macho). Nash & Hall is the example everyone cites but they didn't just show up and flip the switch, that NWO angle marinated and it was a perfect storm for that time period.

You'll get a bump on the initial debuts but that parabolic surge just isn't reality, it takes time and giving people a reason to continually tune in.

AEW's doing fine for where they are on their timeline, shills like Alvarez and his beards saying "they might massacre raw next week" is why what should be undeniable success starts to look underwhelming.
 

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Well yeah.

Eric did a lot of shyt wrong, but give the man his flowers for ripping of New Japan and creating the NWO and putting Hogan, Hall, & Nash together.:yeshrug:

He created the greatest angle in history and for a brief time ('96-'98), the greatest show/roster in wrasslin history.

Now, everything before and after, :francis:

But yeah, I keep trying to tell the AEW smarks that Tony Khan is a shytty booker, who has left lots of money on the table, but they've become like political party loyalists, where the party cannot fail, the party can only be failed.

"Wrasslin's different now"

"Kayfabe is dead"

"People don't watch TV anymore"

Yeah, wrasslin's different now because nobody's doing it right:stopitslime:

People still watch movies and TV shows and people still watch sports.

There's no reason that wrasslin' which is a combination of serial television and sport can't be just as big as ever.

But again, the WWE & AEW stans refuse to accept that their feds are a part of the problem.:ehh:
 

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Man I was just think imagine if Punk and Dragon came into aew on some two man power trip heel stable that would be so more interesting
 

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Well yeah.

Eric did a lot of shyt wrong, but give the man his flowers for ripping of New Japan and creating the NWO and putting Hogan, Hall, & Nash together.:yeshrug:

He created the greatest angle in history and for a brief time ('96-'98), the greatest show/roster in wrasslin history.

Now, everything before and after, :francis:

But yeah, I keep trying to tell the AEW smarks that Tony Khan is a shytty booker, who has left lots of money on the table, but they've become like political party loyalists, where the party cannot fail, the party can only be failed.

"Wrasslin's different now"

"Kayfabe is dead"

"People don't watch TV anymore"

Yeah, wrasslin's different now because nobody's doing it right:stopitslime:

People still watch movies and TV shows and people still watch sports.

There's no reason that wrasslin' which is a combination of serial television and sport can't be just as big as ever.

But again, the WWE & AEW stans refuse to accept that their feds are a part of the problem.:ehh:
The biggest reason for what you said is that one company caters exclusively to (white) geeks and cornballs and the other caters exclusively to the ever changing whims of a senile 76 y/o man.
 

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The topic was how Eric used Hall and Nash so let’s talk about it. Beside standing in the ring with Hulk at Bash at the Beach, all of Hall and Nash best professional moments were as Razor and Diesel. At least you could’ve pointed to a notable Scott Hall WCW match or something. Imagine that

Halls ladder match with Shawn is probably his career highlight but Nash was more of a draw in WCW than as Diesel. Leading the Wolfpac and cutting all those promos/taking down goldberg kayfabe trumps anything he did as Diesel
 

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true but wcw needed a big risk angle like that cause they were boring , AEW is doing alright and they got nice young talent:manny:
 

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Halls ladder match with Shawn is probably his career highlight but Nash was more of a draw in WCW than as Diesel. Leading the Wolfpac and cutting all those promos/taking down goldberg kayfabe trumps anything he did as Diesel
Hall starting the Monday Night wars is bigger than a mostly non seen WM X show..lol. Shawn Michael's don't have a dn thing to do with anything legendary ex eot being a part of a scandal because they were afraid to force Bret to drop a belt in Montreal.
 

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Hall starting the Monday Night wars is bigger than a mostly non seen WM X show..lol. Shawn Michael's don't have a dn thing to do with anything legendary ex eot being a part of a scandal because they were afraid to force Bret to drop a belt in Montreal.

The moment everyone saw and remembers was bash at the beach not interrupting a match on nitro. The WM X ladder match changed wrestling and holds up after 28 years
 
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