Serena Williams: "Do they say LeBron is one of the best 'male athletes'?"
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CarbonBraddock
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you need to stop posting guy. if the nba lost to international players, then they lost to international MEN, not women. No nba team would lose to any team of women that exists or that has ever existed. the simple fact is that the best athletes period on earth are men. if she cannot do as well as them, then she is not one of the best athletes without adding a qualifier to it.
feelosofer
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There's no shame in being one of the best female athletes of all time. I think that this is misplaced feminism unfortunately.
Jacaveli The Don
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Breh, I hope you do realise that 90-95% (maybe even higher) of Abby Wambach's opponents are part-time semi professional soccer players so comparing her goal record against the greatest soccer players of all time is off the charts ridiculous
By that logic, lets have Lionel Messi play against Somalia just so he can get his goal tally up
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Lewis Black
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She is one of the world's greatest.
She is dominant in her field.
The best athletes are ranked as such in comparison to their competitors; within their sport, specific discipline or event, weight class, specialty. Era.
Jesse Owens is a world's greatest athlete though his gold medal time would merely get 43rd place in the 100 semis at Rio, yet he is greater than every 100 sprinter there save one.
Usain Bolt is iconic but can't outcompete the vast majority of his sport's athletes, doesn't even contend 94% of the sport's competitions.
Sugar Ray Robinson is one of the greatest boxers though he'd lose against any heavyweight. He was the best at what he did, he is pound for pound top 3, one of the best in the absolute because of his performance in a specific category/subsection.
Plus most Greatest Athletes Ever! were/are only ever competitive in one elite sport; so don't excel at whole sets of athletic skills, only dominate within defined parameters.
"The Greatest" label also implies someone is an influential sports figure whose impact goes beyond dry black and white figures, scores and ratings. There are athletes who won a lot, had great stats but aren't memorable.
Serena is iconic. She changed the game, how it's played and trained for and how it's marketed and televised. She's recognizable outside the sports world, identifiable by one name. People who aren't tennis fans will tune in to watch her, buy a magazine because she's on the cover, purchase tickets for a match. Enroll their kids in tennis lessons. She paved the way for greater inclusion, diversity, outreach in the sport. She influences her sport from the elite levels on down and athletes not in her sport. Her impact is bigger than winning lots of matches.
She's the best at what she does (playing tennis, against elite female competitors), like Owens (sprinting and jumping, in the 1930s), Bolt (sprinting, at two specific distances), Robinson (boxing, fighters who weigh 154-160lbs) at a level that elevates them as athletes beyond their specific categories.
She is dominant in her field.
The best athletes are ranked as such in comparison to their competitors; within their sport, specific discipline or event, weight class, specialty. Era.
Jesse Owens is a world's greatest athlete though his gold medal time would merely get 43rd place in the 100 semis at Rio, yet he is greater than every 100 sprinter there save one.
Usain Bolt is iconic but can't outcompete the vast majority of his sport's athletes, doesn't even contend 94% of the sport's competitions.
Sugar Ray Robinson is one of the greatest boxers though he'd lose against any heavyweight. He was the best at what he did, he is pound for pound top 3, one of the best in the absolute because of his performance in a specific category/subsection.
Plus most Greatest Athletes Ever! were/are only ever competitive in one elite sport; so don't excel at whole sets of athletic skills, only dominate within defined parameters.
"The Greatest" label also implies someone is an influential sports figure whose impact goes beyond dry black and white figures, scores and ratings. There are athletes who won a lot, had great stats but aren't memorable.
Serena is iconic. She changed the game, how it's played and trained for and how it's marketed and televised. She's recognizable outside the sports world, identifiable by one name. People who aren't tennis fans will tune in to watch her, buy a magazine because she's on the cover, purchase tickets for a match. Enroll their kids in tennis lessons. She paved the way for greater inclusion, diversity, outreach in the sport. She influences her sport from the elite levels on down and athletes not in her sport. Her impact is bigger than winning lots of matches.
She's the best at what she does (playing tennis, against elite female competitors), like Owens (sprinting and jumping, in the 1930s), Bolt (sprinting, at two specific distances), Robinson (boxing, fighters who weigh 154-160lbs) at a level that elevates them as athletes beyond their specific categories.
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Her point is stupid but Serena is most certainly one of the greatest athletes in history male or female in any sport. Without question. She's Wilt, Russell, Jordan, Tiger, Montana, Marino, Lawrence Taylor, Deion, Usain, Pele, Messi, Gretzky levels GOAT.
Whatever..shouldn't have been able to beat motherfukk3rs back in 92 and 94 when Jordan and Shaq were crushing everybody.The winning team had NBA players on their roster
U need to learn what elite and mediocrity means. International men who are not consistent all Stars beat the fukking NBA best and u trying to write it off because u got issues about a dominant female in another context? Stupid.
HellRell804
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Rell84shots
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So is she interested in intergender matches or nah?
PartyHeart
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This doesn't have anything to do with feminism. Coli men just used it to rail against feminism and women in general as usual. Which was ironic and what I chose to call out. Because they call Black feminism stupid because it means Black women taking into account their race and gender when it comes to social issue, when they feel race should always supersede gender. Yet in this instance and most others, when there is a chance to choose race or gender, they quickly align with their gender to try to assert dominance over all women. I'm still waiting for someone to explain that.
And Serena is still one of the greatest athletes of all time. That is actually a fact. She would wipe the floor with every poster in here including me, male or female. She'd do that with 99% of the population, including other male athletes in other sports. The 1% that might beat her out, are some of the professionally trained male tennis athletes and that's it. How does that not make her one of the greatest athletes of all time? And why was offense taken when one of our greatest icons made a simple comment about how she'd like to be labeled?
I think I'm more concerned with some feminist undertones which seem to imply that women have to compete with men to validate their worth. I would agree that Serena is one of the greatest athletes of all time b/c of her performance in her own right in her category. To me she shouldn't have to compete with men to solidify this status because doing so is nonsensical. I'm reminded of how cringeworthy footage of female high school football players are for some reason, because they aren't built for the sport. Objectively an evaluation of Serena's performances in her category is more than enough to justify the greatness of her legacy with no need to compare her to male athletes.
There's something strange about this dynamic I'm not quite able to describe. Lol!
What about fruit olympics? Apples and oranges have a race and I pick one apple and one orange as some of the greatest participants in their perspective races, I don't have to compare apples to oranges to evaluate their greatness because they are categorically different, right? Lemme read some more of ya'll responses for more perspective.