Then according to you the only way for a female athlete to prove that she is indeed an elite athlete is to compete against men? Do you not see how genetically that is problematic?
Serena Williams: "Do they say LeBron is one of the best 'male athletes'?"
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Then according to you the only way for a female athlete to prove that she is indeed an elite athlete is to compete against men? Do you not see how genetically that is problematic?
I actually agree with you but you still used qualifiers. "The greatest athlete of his era" is not the same as "the greatest athlete of all time".
My point is we have to stop trying to act like there's something wrong with not being compared to men. Forcing the issue hurts everyone involved. Men being men, if you call yourself something you have to prove it.
If I call myself the best chef in the world and bobby flay challenges me to a throw down and I'm like"but but he's a professional." I can no longer call myself the best in the world. The best amateur chef maybe, but not THE best
Again, I get that. I just disagree. The distinction is made on genetic level and that must be considered. Being a Chef isn't (totally) contingent on physical prowess, thus women and men can compete against each other on a some what level playing field genetically. A woman at peak physical conditioning, and a man at the same level are still not even because the ceiling for men is higher, naturally. Thus there is NO real way to ever really measure this in the realm of athletics with a NATURAL disadvantage women have.
I mean its really simple to understand.
(Sigh) This is stupid. Male and female sports are separate for a reason. Ignoring biological realities doesn't elevate the value of women, any more than ignoring that a watermelon has seeds will make it better than an orange. You see how absurd that last analogy sounds.
This is just a failure of feminism. Equality doesn't mean everyone has to be the same and in trying to force this, ironically you end up invalidating your worth because you accept the implication of superiority of that which you attempt to emulate.
Sorry if that seems convoluted or nonsensical.
This is just a failure of feminism. Equality doesn't mean everyone has to be the same and in trying to force this, ironically you end up invalidating your worth because you accept the implication of superiority of that which you attempt to emulate.
Sorry if that seems convoluted or nonsensical.
No, according to me there's a difference between male and female athletes and that should never be ignored. What's wrong with acknowledging that Serena is an elite female athlete? Male and female athletes don't compete against each other because women aren't naturally as athletic. Why should that be ignored to protect people with low self esteem who have a problem handling the truth?
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What's wrong with just calling Serena one of the best athletes the world has ever seen?
Because she hasn't earned that. That's what's wrong with it. She hasn't competed against the best tennis players. What part of that don't you understand?What's wrong with just calling Serena one of the best athletes the world has ever seen?
I'm talking about Serena Williams..probably the best of all time and u doing weird comparisons by bringing up the 17 yr version playing some yahoo like she was losing to him week in and week out..get fukking real. Now u got some mental thing against women..that's on you. Where is the all time great Serena calling Names out to play? What's the matter with u?
And yeah Chamberlin playing against 2003 Bron is a fukking joke..that's why it was brought up.
Well the NBA was supposed to be the best players on earth until they got spanked in the Olympics a few times when the Brons and Kobes weren't there. So they only competed against other NBA teams and then lost on the international front? There are wrinkles all in this thread.
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And that's why I have no problem saying she's one of the best female athletes alive and of all time. Those statements can be proven.
Most Americans don't even rock with women's sports outside of the Olympics and uconn women because of the clearly inferior play. The only way to get rid of the female qualifier is to get out there and beat some men
The fukk u talking about or are u just some illiterate little nygga who needs everything spelled out for him like a damn toddler. Stupid.
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There is nothing on earth except Serena herself stopping her from proving her dominance to a nasal, federer, or djokavic. A battle of the sexes 4 with a prime woman athlete vs a man who isn't on the seniors tour like bobby riggs would do crazy #s on ppv. shyt I'd buy it myself
I'm just gonna ignore the charges that I must have some problem with women and just take that as acknowledgement that you don't have anything else to add.
Like my man said earlier in the thread lob an insult take a knee and run the clock out.