The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Styles]

Arguing who had the better career is another thing altogether, which I'm not trying to do. Just that this version of Lowry is better than Kidd ever was. He is more of an offensive force (by a considerable margin) while being nearly as good on the defensive end. Does that mean I'd rank Lowry ahead of Kidd in all-time rankings? Of course not. Lowry's career has been mostly forgettable up until this season.

I don't seriously believe that all these dudes in here posting actually watched enough Nets games in the early/mid 2000s and Raptors games from this season to give an informed opinion on this shyt, yet they act like have the answers.

I don't believe you have.

You're using offensive team rating to justify your argument I know you know there's more to it than that. First being that Kidd's teammates were mediocre and couldn't score unless he fed them most of the time. Kidd was that offense. He didn't have Derozan or Griffin or Draymond to help him break down a team like today's pgs. KMart and Van Horn were the biggest offensive threats on those teams . It wasn't until later he got VC, and at that point he was near the end of his prime. And even then it was just him VC, RJ and scrubs.

Second Kidd had a weak jumper, but you're ignoring all of his other all time great intangibles like vision, playmaking, defense, and just having a really strong bball IQ. Being a Warriors Stan you should know how important that is.

And he still got buckets when he needed to

 

[Malta]

Dawg isn't Lowry 31 years old? This isn't a terrible run, its his identity..

What you're doing about shooting is the equivalent of a n1gga clowning his boy for fukking Kelly Price and then ending it with "Aight dawg it's been real, but I got a hot date with Gabby SidiBae"

His terrible run in the playoffs this year is essentially the same numbers as Kidd, we splitting hairs over a dude that shot 39% from the field for his playoff careers vs one that shoots 36%?

I don't like Lowry, I like Kidd even less, this dude basically implied that the Nets would be able to beat the Cavs in the other thread that's how this thread was made.

 

[str8up]

Damn ya'll dude would believe anything and co-sign just cause some poster you fukk wit said it

I saw the post he was referencing but took till page two for someone to post it

Going to have to start randomly testing ya'll and see what kinda bullshyt you'll agree wit cause malta name in the title

 

[Goatpoacher]

Lowry is playing next to Demar DeRozan, a dude that straight up can't shoot. When Kidd wasn't pushing tempo those Nets teams could barely score in the halfcourt, they had a terrible offense themselves, it's just that he posted numbers so everyone is like He dominated the ball, I don't like those kid of PGs, could you ever see him having to play with DeRozan someone that needs to isolate?

Shouldn't you be equally critical of DeRozan? Iso-ball needs to die.

And Kidd won a ring with Dirk with Dirk running plenty of isos in the post. YOu and Gil Scott are not giving Kidd enough credit for adjusting his game and finally developing a jumper.

I can't believe you two having me defending Kidd.

 

[Malta]

Prime kidd right now would be eating

How? Show me all the PG's that can't shoot that are eating well.

 

[William F. Russell]

Goes to show how poor the NBA product was that season. Kidd wouldn't even come close to being an MVP candidate today

The fact that Kidd didn't get MVP at all just proves that these awards aren't fully based on merit and that the league was quite concerned about its image/public perception. Keep in mind, we're talking about the early 2000s (i.e., the A.I./urban-inspired/"thug" era ). Around that time, the league was getting a bit too "urban" for the targeted audience demographic. There was NO WAY on God's green earth that Stern was going to give the MVP to a player that was subject to criminal charges for domestic violence.

And beyond that, you do know that during that era, Kidd was vying with players like Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and KG for that award PERENNIALLY, right?

 

[Malta]

Shouldn't you be equally critical of DeRozan? Iso-ball needs to die.

And Kidd won a ring with Dirk with Dirk running plenty of isos in the post. YOu and Gil Scott are not giving Kidd enough credit for adjusting his game and finally developing a jumper.

I can't believe you two having me defending Kidd.

I've been critical of Lowry and DeRozan, ask @Miggs. This thread spawned cause this dude basically said the Kidd Nets would beat the Cavs in a series


That Kidd wasn't the Nets Kidd, two different dudes because by that time he finally earned the J in his name He could actually make threes when he played for the Mavs, when he was with the Nets he was a 26% three point shooter in the playoffs so he straight up and down could not play off the ball.

 

[GzUp]

How? Show me all the PG's that can't shoot that are eating well.

Breh he will get his points, his assists, his rebounds, and have a winning team.. Kidd was a special talent, very smart.

 

[Malta]

Breh he will get his points, his assists, his rebounds, and have a winning team.. Kidd was a special talent, very smart.

How?

Name 1 "True PG" that can't shoot that's eating, I don't want to hear about his intagibles, show me somebody that is actually doing it right now without a jumper.


Show me 1 team built around a "True PG" in the last 10 years that can't shoot that has done well?

 

[William F. Russell]

Even if that were to be true, it's still more effective than the offenses Kidd ran.

Ain't Kidd's fault that fukkING TODD MACCULLOUGH and KERRY KITTLES were in his starting unit. And it ain't his fault that Vinsanity, although an athletic freak, was mainly a volume-scorer, RJ was pretty inconsistent as a player, and that the team had NO BENCH.

Magic Johnson couldn't run that team like Kidd did, never mind run an effective/efficient offense with it.

You're embarrassing yourself in this thread.

 

[OG Talk]

His terrible run in the playoffs this year is essentially the same numbers as Kidd, we splitting hairs over a dude that shot 39% from the field for his playoff careers vs one that shoots 36%?

I don't like Lowry, I like Kidd even less, this dude basically implied that the Nets would be able to beat the Cavs in the other thread that's how this thread was made.

We're not splitting hairs..You are saying the guy that shoots 36% is better than the guy that shoots 39% and are using shooting as the justification

 

[Goatpoacher]

Even if that were to be true, it's still more effective than the offenses Kidd ran.

Unlike some people, I'm aware that the overall talent pool is deeper today than 2003. I'm not saying that team was better than the current raptors. I'm saying Kidd is better than Lowry, something I should not need to say.

 

[Remote]

Typical coli template:

I'm gonna say this small sample size of today's player is comparable or better than X-legendary player and then act like I have plausible deniability because I didn't imply a career comparison.



I already got these clowns on ignore but you already know what these dudes are gonna type before they type it.



Wasn't none of these fakkits saying shyt about the 90s or 2000s back then (because they never watched basketball). But they reading basketball-reference, running mental gymnastics.

I doubt Kyle Lowry would start over 1996 Kenny Anderson. Much less be better than Jason Kidd.

 

[William F. Russell]

Typical coli template:

I'm gonna say this small sample size of today's player is comparable or better than X-legendary player and then act like I have plausible deniability because I didn't imply a career comparison.



I already got these clowns on ignore but you already know what these dudes are gonna type before they type it.



Wasn't none of these fakkits saying shyt about the 90s or 2000s back then (because they never watched basketball). But they reading basketball-reference, running mental gymnastics.

I doubt Kyle Lowry would start over 1996 Kenny Anderson. Much less be better than Jason Kidd.

The Coliseum really done fell off

 

[Goatpoacher]

I've been critical of Lowry and DeRozan, ask @Miggs. This thread spawned cause this dude basically said the Kidd Nets would beat the Cavs in a series


That Kidd wasn't the Nets Kidd, two different dudes because by that time he finally earned the J in his name He could actually make threes when he played for the Mavs, when he was with the Nets he was a 26% three point shooter in the playoffs so he straight up and down could not play off the ball.

I agree that nets team was garbage, but it's an overstatement to claim Lowry is better than Kidd. Kidd was a very smart player and did a lot of little things to help his team. Lowry plays like he has special needs.