The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Houston911]

I don't see how, the teams most likely to win the title all have offensive minded pass second PGs.

He would have adapt to a league that shoots so many 3s

You www him develop the 3 ball in Dallas

He's huge pg who can post up and get in the lane

That defense

Kendall Marshall bum ass averaged 10 apg

Jason Kidd

 

[SchoolboyC]

I'm genuinely confused breh

Why would he not be? Efficient player, great rebounder, phenomenal vision, led the NBA in assists. 7th in steals.

Basically, 12 ppg 12 ast 6 reb 2 stls

He had a great roll game in sac this year and developed a respectable 3. He's most definitely a top 5 pg in his conference.

Yes I'm very aware you're confused if you think he's a top 5 PG in his conference

 

[Malta]

Rajon Rondo was an all-star in his own right.

2011-12: 11.9ppg, 11.7apg, 4.8rpg, 1.8spg

2012-13: 13.7ppg, 11.1apg, 5.6rpg, 1.8spg





Very intellectually disingenuous of you to credit Rondo's success solely to Pierce and Garnett.

You're better than this.

The team wasn't built around him first and foremost, why don't you check the Celtics offensive ratings from those years, 27th and 24th in the league. Those Nets teams had shytty offenses too, what a coincidence.


The Kings had a trash offense this year too

 

[Hollywood Co]

I'm just waiting for someone to post a Kyle Lowry highlight mix

 

[Malta]

Considering the Raptors are one of the woat playmaking teams, it would def improve. Lowry is a trash playmaker. Kidd would def make it easier for everyone on the team. Carroll would eat, Demar would eat, JV would be a 20 ppg player. Lowry has bottom 5 vision. Bruh you acting like Lowry is shooting lights out. They might as well go under the screens for his trash ass

How though? DeMar can't play off the ball and neither could Nets Ason Kidd, the dude couldn't shoot and he wasn't even that great at finishing at the rim. Those Nets teams had terrible offenses, that's all everyone is doing is pointing to his individual numbers and not the fact his teams almost always were offensively until he got to Dallas and became a knockdown shooter.

You can't have a dude that can't shoot or finish at the rim like that handling the ball today, the Coli is crazy, everyone is talking about how you gotta trade one of the Sixers bigs to accommodate dude that can't shoot that needs the ball, yet when it comes to someone yall like and know those things go out the window.

 

[Goatpoacher]

He would have adapt to a league that shoots so many 3s

You www him develop the 3 ball in Dallas

He's huge pg who can post up and get in the lane

That defense

Kendall Marshall bum ass averaged 10 apg

Jason Kidd

All players have flaws, but some work around them and overcome them like Kidd did. Kidd was a very smart player, something @Malta and @Zbo's Deep Thoughts do not give enough credit for. Jordan was an atrocious 3 point shooter too, early in his career.

They also seem to ignore how Kidd paced his team on both ends in crunch time, how he got key steals and deflections because of his timing, and how he effectively found so many open cutters. THe question isn't how his team compared to the league at the time, but how his team would have done without him.

 

[William F. Russell]

The team wasn't built around him first and foremost, why don't you check the Celtics offensive ratings from those years, 27th and 24th in the league. Those Nets teams had shytty offenses too, what a coincidence.


The Kings had a trash offense this year too

You asked for a starting "true PG" who couldn't shoot who led his team whose team has done well and I gave you one.

Rondo led the Cs to the Eastern Conference Finals.

Kidd led the Nets to the Finals.

Both were traditional, pass-first PGs.

Both weren't known for shooting yet could go off in big games

Both were walking triple doubles.

Those are facts

Who gives a fukk about offensive ratings when your team is a perennial contender and guaranteed conference finals appearances?

EDIT: As for whether or not Rondo led the Celtics...

Forsberg: Taking center stage

The Sixth Man: Big Three takes a backseat to Rondo | Fox News

Rajon Rondo Has Become Bigger Than the Boston Celtics Big 3

Forget Boston’s Big 3, Rajon Rondo Is The One

Keep in mind there was talk of Rondo leading the Big Three since 09/10

 

[DIMES]

Yes I'm very aware you're confused if you think he's a top 5 PG in his conference

Jokes and fan bias aside. Look at the great year he had.

Why would he not be? The numbers speak for themselves

He has elite rebounding #s among all point guards...trailing only behind Westbrook. 7th in steals. Top in assists. He's undeniably top 10 at his position breh

 

[Houston911]

All players have flaws, but some work around them and overcome them like Kidd did. Kidd was a very smart player, something @Malta and @Zbo's Deep Thoughts do not give enough credit for. Jordan was an atrocious 3 point shooter too, early in his career.

They also seem to ignore how Kidd paced his team on both ends in crunch time, how he got key steals and deflections because of his timing, and how he effectively found so many open cutters. THe question isn't how his team compared to the league at the time, but how his team would have done without him.

Kidd was a smart player

I don't see why he wouldn't adapt with analytics like everyone else

 

[PortCityProphet]

we ain't come to the coli for yall nikkas to have illogical discussions like this. ya'll gotta go back to Sohh with this shyt ya'll deserve these servers crashing on ya'll

 

[Malta]

You asked for a starting "true PG" who couldn't shoot who led his team whose team has done well and I gave you one.

Rondo led the Cs to the Eastern Conference Finals.

Kidd led the Nets to the Finals.

Both were traditional, pass-first PGs.

Both weren't known for shooting yet could go off in big games

Both were walking triple doubles.

Those are facts

Who gives a fukk about offensive ratings when your team is a perennial contender and guaranteed conference finals appearances?

How you gonna tell me what I said when I can just scroll up

Show me 1 team built around a "True PG" in the last 10 years that can't shoot that has done well?

The Celtics weren't built around him, period. And who gives a fukk about offensive ratings? Teams that have top 10 offensive and defensive ratings typically win titles.

 

[Malta]

All players have flaws, but some work around them and overcome them like Kidd did. Kidd was a very smart player, something @Malta and @Zbo's Deep Thoughts do not give enough credit for. Jordan was an atrocious 3 point shooter too, early in his career.

They also seem to ignore how Kidd paced his team on both ends in crunch time, how he got key steals and deflections because of his timing, and how he effectively found so many open cutters. THe question isn't how his team compared to the league at the time, but how his team would have done without him.

He was smart, but he couldn't shoot when he played for the Nets, and he dominated the ball. He set everyone up and that's cool and all, but you should know my M.O. with PGs. I'll take the dude that can play off the ball, over the one that can't. I don't like the type of player Kidd was because I've almost never seen them be successful, or have good teams built around them. If he were 6'8" or something I'd change my tune because he'd probably be shooting better than 40% as a result.

I despise Ricky Rubio's game, and he's essentially a poor man's Kidd.

 

[hayesc0]

Im not sure whats worse flat earthers or people that are acting like Kidd isn't one of the best pgs of all time.

 

[The God Poster]

I don't give a shyt about PG's that can't shoot, Jason Kidd is a career 39% shooter in the playoffs, this terrible run by Lowry is the zone Kidd lived in.

I don't give a shyt about any PG that micro-manages the game that isn't 6'9".

So you basically don't like conventional point guards. Kidd playmaking & control of the Offense outweighs Lowry shooting ability

 

[William F. Russell]

How you gonna tell me what I said when I can just scroll up




The Celtics weren't built around him, period. And who gives a fukk about offensive ratings? Teams that have top 10 offensive and defensive ratings typically win titles.

From 2011 on, the Celtics were Rondo's team. Anybody who followed the Celtics closely around that time can attest to that. Around that time, Pierce, Garnett and Judas were very clearly on the decline whereas Rondo was taking the reins from them and putting up triple doubles for fun in the playoffs.