The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Malta]

I'd say that Rubio is clearly limited offensively but, when healthy, surrounded by adequate talent, and locked in, he's a difference-maker. BUT, unlike Rondo, he's never showed that he can dominate a game/series or lead his team. And he's a turnover machine, at least more so than Rondo. He's a poor man's Rondo who's a poor man's Kidd.

He's a difference maker for the opposing team

Here's the thing, I don't like any of the PGs you've named. I don't like Rondo, I don't like Rubio, I don't even like Elfrid Payton...so why would it be such a surprise to people I wouldn't like Kidd? I'm not even a big fan of Chris Paul and he shoots a solid percentage, I just do not like "true PGs" at all.

Raptors would be down 30 already if they had prime Kidd out there instead of Lowry.

Lowry is missing contested threes, Ason Kidd gonna knock them down? What would he do different? This Cavs team completely overmatches the Raptors, dudes in the other thread were acting like those garbage ass Nets teams would fare any better.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

Watching Lowry shoot 16% from the field while reading some of the responses in this thread is a surreal experience

 

[High quality poster]

I'm saying tho, Yall gonna run this neg train in @Malta or nah

 

[Art Barr]

And because he couldn't and wouldn't shoot he was a detriment to his team's offense. Those Nets squads and the East in general existed only through defense and effort (hand in hand here) - it was why those Nets teams made it to two Finals, because their defense was that good for that time. Not because of their offense or how Kidd made his teammates better, because those things didn't exist.



You aren't alone here, because this is a problem a lot of people have when discussing his skillset and what impact he had despite not being able to score efficiently (and not being a threat to do so) - they tend to overcompensate by inflating his strengths for what he lacked in other areas, failing to realize that what he lacked influenced the game more than what he brought to it. Case in point -

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)

He didn't run a fluid offense in NJ, quite the opposite actually. And it doesn't take long when going over the tape to see why those Nets teams struggled offensively. Whereas conversely Lowry has orchestrated a top-5 offense for the last two seasons (top-10 the season prior). Even if you're one to marginalize the Raptors offense to a series of iso plays and a few picks thrown in, it was still 10000x better than what those Nets teams were running.


This season Lowry had more offensive impact than Kidd ever did, and he didn't need to dominate the ball to do so.

He's actually more overrated than AI. A lot more.

You are basing this on strictly numbers and not impact or the complexion of the game and how kidd changed those dynamics.
Plus those players had a good mix of the low IQ NBA mixed with older higher IQ guad players than today's continuation of college and international weak sauce style NBA ball we watch today.
Where we actually watch a pickup game with zone on the professional level.
So, no Lowry is not better than kidd.
This is right into the sweet spot of jalen rose and his convo with Jacoby.
He said to turn the channel, on someone comparing Simmons to magic and in this instance I am gonna do the same.
as mayer for president makes total sense of this entire exposal thread and Malta you are wrong as fukk.

kidd got traded from suns to the nets for marbury

kidd had the suns in the playoffs 5 straight years he left they didn't make it
nets weren't in playoffs he came thru and they made it

brought them to 2 finals appearances and lost to 2 goat teams

we to dallas as a vet and helped dirk get the chip

only thing lowry does better is take more shots

 

[Regular_P]

He's a difference maker for the opposing team

Here's the thing, I don't like any of the PGs you've named. I don't like Rondo, I don't like Rubio, I don't even like Elfrid Payton...so why would it be such a surprise to people I wouldn't like Kidd? I'm not even a big fan of Chris Paul and he shoots a solid percentage, I just do not like "true PGs" at all.




Lowry is missing contested threes, Ason Kidd gonna knock them down? What would he do different? This Cavs team completely overmatches the Raptors, dudes in the other thread were acting like those garbage ass Nets teams would fare any better.

I refuse to believe you're not trolling with this Lowry > Kidd nonsense.

Kidd at his absolute worst could still set guys up and get them open looks while playing good defense. What the fukk is Lowry doing if he's not hitting shots?

 

[Malta]

I refuse to believe you're not trolling with this Lowry > Kidd nonsense.

Kidd at his absolute worst could still set guys up and get them open looks while playing good defense. What the fukk is Lowry doing if he's not hitting shots?

I never said Lowry was better, I said I'd rather have him on this Raptors team. Being better doesn't mean you're a better fit, placing a ball dominant player next to DeMar, someone that plays strictly in isolation would have a huge effect on his already game. And we're talking about Nets Kidd that could not shoot and didn't play off the ball at the time.

And this spawned because this dude said the Nets could beat the Cavs. Is it trolling when I run down the list of players I'd rather have than Melo too?

 

[High quality poster]

Coli brehs, we can't let this Tyrant @Malta go unpunished...

In the name of all that is right in the world... He must be negged to oblivion. The fact the Lowry has 2 points at the half only confirms this. Neg the bum!

 

[High quality poster]

I never said Lowry was better, I said I'd rather have him on this Raptors team. Being better doesn't mean you're a better fit, placing a ball dominant player next to DeMar, someone that plays strictly in isolation would have a huge effect on his already game. And we're talking about Nets Kidd that could not shoot and didn't play off the ball at the time.

And this spawned because this dude said the Nets could beat the Cavs. Is it trolling when I run down the list of players I'd rather have than Melo too?

This fukk boy trying to cop pleas and shyt

 

[OG Talk]

Kyle Lowry better than J.Kidd right

Forget about the brick house he's building..

Dude has twice as many personal fouls as assists right now..He's running a clinic on how not to play PG...

 

[Malta]

Coli brehs, we can't let this Tyrant @Malta go unpunished...

In the name of all that is right in the world... He must be negged to oblivion. The fact the Lowry has 2 points at the half only confirms this. Neg the bum!

@ you hoping someone else wears the Scarlett letter next to you

Your hoe tendencies always come out

 

[cKondomsucK6]

I never said Lowry was better, I said I'd rather have him on this Raptors team. Being better doesn't mean you're a better fit, placing a ball dominant player next to DeMar, someone that plays strictly in isolation would have a huge effect on his already game. And we're talking about Nets Kidd that could not shoot and didn't play off the ball at the time.

And this spawned because this dude said the Nets could beat the Cavs. Is it trolling when I run down the list of players I'd rather have than Melo too?

Nah I never said that those nets would beat the Cavs
I'm saying they would have a better shot than the raptors

Which means they would have to lose by less than 20 or 30

 

[High quality poster]

@ you hoping someone else wears the Scarlett letter next to you

Your hoe tendencies always come out

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Bledsoe wouldnt shoOT 0-7 from the 3. He can actually get to line unlike bum ass lowry.

 

[#1 pick]

@Malta tell me you didn't say this. Not my Malta.

Malta can be shaky if he like you or not but my man Gil done felt the fukk off. This shyt right here, sad as fukk. I think he's DeRozan cousin

 

[#1 pick]

Lowry is a legit player and to say otherwise is bullshyt but Kidd>>>Any verison of Lowry