The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

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:heh: If Lowry is one of the best pgs of today then that's just a testament to how exaggerated the talent at the position is today. Lowry just isn't that good and I've been telling you that this Raptors team sucked for the longest. To say that Lowry is better than Kidd just illustrates how clueless you are.

You're a liar just like your friend. We were in another discussion about today vs 90s and you damn sure said that this Raptors squad would be up there with the Shaq-Penny Magic if they played in the east back then. This site's search function is fukked so I can't find the post but you damn sure said that.


He said,...whut?!?!?!?!!!!
I can't believe anyone capes for this pickup ball era over the old guard even in kidd's new Gen mix with the old guard.

Kidd is one of the last high IQ era players from the exact draft where the low IQ era exactly began.

Yet, you have posters, @Malta to zbo's wack thoughts saying bullshyt and then overprocessing a player from an even more inept lower IQ era.
Where we watch college basketball and international play continued on the pro level with players with lower iq's and more soft rules to enable them to actually put the ball in the basket.
Of which we saw Lowry not ever do on even kidd's level and kidd was not known as having a robust offensive game.
Which was dwarfed by kidd's highest prodigy like IQ ij the low ball era and a one of a kind player for that era off just sheer excellence in bball IQ for just starters.

Then, in a lesser era Lowry does not have nearly any hardware on any level or accolades like kidd also garnered immediately as a collegiate to pro player.

Yeah, we talk about kidd being a drunk, his ex wife, his child has heinously been talked about on here dating back now to the :hamster:.
Yet and still in that,...
Kidd is above Lowry period.

This is one of those if you ain't got ring arguments stfu type situations for real.
All cause kidd shyt's on Lowry by pure facts, in timeline comparison alone.

Not to mention, we just seen this nikka, lowry be immature less than sixteen hours ago.

At least we know kidd acted a fool over toni braxton and was like nineteen or so,....lowry is acting like this and we don't know and won't give him the benefit of the doubt for his behavior.
When he been in the league a decade.

This comparison is like saying you would rather have Chris Childs over j kidd and nobody is taking Childs globally over kidd, ever.
There is no fact to validate taking Lowry over kidd, period.





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There are no facts to even support your claim in just day to day comparison of kidd and Lowry.
Try the FACT that Lowry scored more points on a greater efficiency than Kidd did at his peak and led one of the best offenses in the league in a more competitive offensive era, when Kidd was pushing out below average to the worst offenses season after season during arguably the worst era of basketball.
 

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2002 Nets had a 104 offensive rating
2003 Nets had a 103 offensive rating

Both the Wizards and Bulls had a 105 offensive rating this season

and this is without weighing into account all the injuries both teams had which affected their offenses - they would've finished with better offensive ratings if they were healthy because like I said they had more "fire power".

Wall
Beal
Gortat
Markieff
Porter
Sessions
Even throw Nene's bum ass in there

Butler
Rose
Gasol
Mirotic
Gibson
McDermott

are all better offensively than
A fully healthy Spurs had a 106 and 105 OR respectively in the same seasons..
Pacers had a 104 OR
are you saying they would be amongst the worse today as well ?
:aicmon:
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Butler yes, Rose is a shell of his former self, Gasol is in his twilight years man
the rest are not any type of reliable option in the playoffs
:beli:

After Wall and Beal there is nothing there on par with Kidd, Jefferson, Martin and KVH
 

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Try the FACT that Lowry scored more points on a greater efficiency than Kidd did at his peak and led one of the best offenses in the league in a more competitive offensive era, when Kidd was pushing out below average to the worst offenses season after season during arguably the worst era of basketball.


nikka, just at the timeline comparison of Kidd to Lowry kills you in this. I would kill you with comparative facts about the two.
Your dark horse choice failed and you are wrong as fukk.

You did not watch basketball much before this era at all or were not cognitive at all.

Plus, Malta is wrong as fukk and stop trying to let Malta skeet off without getting tabled the fukk up too.
As real talk I knew Malta pretentious shyt was gon get exposed too.

Y'all nikkaz some refugee subforum ass nikkaz and the same ineptitude y'all had in the spot is the same ineptitude in the forums you nikkaz ran off to, too.
shyt don't change cause y'all change the topic.
Y'all the same goofball lame nikka with offbrand bullshyt I have to disprove once again.

This thread is Ali versus lennox Lewis in the coliseum all over again.


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Ain't shyt changed but the domain,....
 
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A fully healthy Spurs had a 106 and 105 OR respectively in the same seasons..
Pacers had a 104 OR
are you saying they would be amongst the worse today as well ?
:aicmon:
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Yes they would be worse today, not as bad as the Nets of course, but they wouldn't win the amount of games they did back then in today's league. And keep in mind the Spurs offenses gradually got better and better as the seasons went on (minus 04), whereas the Nets went backwards.

Just to put it into perspective -

That 2002 Spurs team was Duncan, a 36yo D-Rob (who could barely average double digits), Steve Smith, Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose, and a 19yo Parker and they won 58 games - the Thunder won 55 games this season and knocked out a superior Spurs team out of the playoffs.
A fully healthy Spurs had a 106 and 105 OR respectively in the same seasons..
Pacers had a 104 OR
are you saying they would be amongst the worse today as well ?
:aicmon:
.

Butler yes, Rose is a shell of his former self, Gasol is in his twilight years man
the rest are not any type of reliable option in the playoffs
:beli:

After Wall and Beal there is nothing there on par with Kidd, Jefferson, Martin and KVH
They're both still better offensive units than the Nets. K-Mart was the leading scorer and he only averaged 14.9 ppg. The Bulls had THREE scorers who averaged more than he did this season. I mean to be fair though, I think if you surrounded Nash or CP with those same 00s Nets players they'd be better than they actually looked and most probably would've averaged more points too.
 
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nikka, just at the timeline comparison of Kidd to Lowry kills you in this. I would kill you with comparative facts about the two.
Your dark horse choice failed and you are wrong as fukk.

You did not watch basketball much before this era at all or were not cognitive at all.

Plus, Malta is wrong as fukk and stop trying to let Malta skeet off without getting tabled the fukk up too.
As real talk I knew Malta pretentious shyt was gon get exposed too.

Y'all nikkaz some refugee subforum ass nikkaz and the same ineptitude y'all had in the spot is the same ineptitude in the forums you nikkaz ran off to, too.
shyt don't change cause y'all change the topic.
Y'all the same goofball lame nikka with offbrand bullshyt I have to disprove once again.

This thread is Ali versus lennox Lewis in the coliseum all over again.


Art Barr

Ain't shyt changed but the domain,....
You're saying a bunch of nothing in this post. You keep talking about "facts" but so far I've seen none; just long winded posts that don't shed any light on either player.
 

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The most telling thing about Kidd's talent is the fact that he after his first two seasons his teams never missed the playoffs. Dude was just a hell of a leader and had all the intangible qualities you'd want out of a PG. And it's not like he always played on loaded teams. Great passer, great defender, and IMO seemed to get the most out of the teams he played on.

I love Lowry as a player but to say he's better than Kidd is flat out ridiculous. The only real knock on Kidd was his broken jumper, I'd take Kidd in every other facet of playing the position. Not to mention that it's not like Lowry is a lights out shooter himself.
 
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The most telling thing about Kidd's talent is the fact that he after his first two seasons his teams never missed the playoffs. Dude was just a hell of a leader and had all the intangible qualities you'd want out of a PG. And it's not like he always played on loaded teams. Great passer, great defender, and IMO seemed to get the most out of the teams he played on.

I love Lowry as a player but to say he's better than Kidd is flat out ridiculous. The only real knock on Kidd was his broken jumper, I'd take Kidd in every other facet of playing the position. Not to mention that it's not like Lowry is a lights out shooter himself.
It's not saying much when those Nets squads would be lucky to make the playoffs in the East today. :manny:
 
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